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kbfilmworksSamurai
Posted: September 9, 20172017-09-09T20:30:55+10:00 2017-09-09T20:30:55+10:00In: Action

A female bounty hunter holds a gangland bar hostage while awaiting the arrival of a fugitive killer but one of the hostages is hiding a deadly secret.

A female bounty hunter holds a gangland bar hostage while awaiting the arrival of a fugitive killer but one of the hostages is hiding a deadly secret.
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    1. dpg Singularity
      2017-09-10T00:16:29+10:00Added an answer on September 10, 2017 at 12:16 am

      Kbfiilmworks:

      Based upon what you discussed in the thread for the other version, it is my opinion that this version buries the story hook. ? ?At least, the story element that hooked my interest. ? “Hiding a deadly secret” ?doesn’t really tell me what makes your story different, stand out from the herd. ?

      Okay, discount my reaction as that of someone who is jaded,?whose mind has been desensitized ?from?reading?read too many loglines. And I am jaded! ?But consider that logline readers are probably as jaded as I am. ?Perhaps my reaction may not be an outlier, may not be atypical.

      Let’s see how other similarly ?jaded logline readers respond.

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    2. kbfilmworks Samurai
      2017-09-10T01:19:42+10:00Added an answer on September 10, 2017 at 1:19 am

      Yes, I see what you’re saying but for a logline to be effective it needs to have immediate impact ?and sci-fi concepts only have that sort of impact on the hardcore afficionado. So, the action logline is more appropriate ?as a general pitching tool.

      Actually, I’m thinking it’s enough to say.

      A female bounty hunter holds a gangland bar hostage while awaiting the arrival of a fugitive killer.

      The single location action screenplay is always in demand because they are so hard to write. Most single location scripts tend to be talk-fests.

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    3. kbfilmworks Samurai
      2017-09-10T01:58:09+10:00Added an answer on September 10, 2017 at 1:58 am

      Also, producers are looking for do-able projects with marketable loglines. So, a writer has to consider the needs of the industry that he or she is pitching to – definitely the lower end in terms of budget and talent.

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    4. dpg Singularity
      2017-09-10T03:27:21+10:00Added an answer on September 10, 2017 at 3:27 am

      You tag it as an action genre. ?But isn’t it more accurate to pitch it as a SciFi? ?And if so, then what is the unique element, the organizing “magic” sci-fi feature of the story?

      Whatever, this version may sell the steak — but I wonder if it sells the sizzle.

      And what’s your theme? ?What idea are you exploring that requires her to be killing time in a gang bar while trying not to kill a doppelganger?

      And ?if the bad dude can time trip, why can’t she? ?Wouldn’t it strengthen her appeal as ?a character, not to mention her arc and her relationship past and present with her prize game?

      fwiw

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    5. kbfilmworks Samurai
      2017-09-10T06:49:29+10:00Added an answer on September 10, 2017 at 6:49 am

      dpg

      I still feel a pitch is a seduction. Like a striptease. You get the action plot in the logline and then the synopsis introduces the Sci-Fi elements, etc. and that’s appealing to producers because the story gets beefier without the attendant switches in location and rising budget.

      For me, the theme only becomes a subject when the script is under discussion and since you haven’t read the script it’s hard to see how we can discuss theme.

      One producer whom I pitched to recently – using the action logline compared it to ‘The Hateful Eight’. There’s remotely no similarity apart from the single location and bounty hunters but that makes him feel comfortable because he’s found a label he understands. These are the harsh realities of the business. We’re basically dealing with Sales and Marketing people and the money people are worse.

      It’s also important to remember that Sci-Fi is generally a high-budget genre and this puts people off. I don’t know how much experience you have of the industry as a writer but it is relevant to understand what they want from you when writing a logline for a project that’s actually going into the marketplace.

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    6. CraigDGriffiths Uberwriter
      2017-09-10T19:12:44+10:00Added an answer on September 10, 2017 at 7:12 pm

      This logline is static. Some one having a deadly secret isn’t an action. Read the line and describe it as a series of actions, I couldn’t.

      “Waiting for her mark a bounty hunter takes the occupants of a gangland bar hostage a bounty hunter but a ….. has …. “

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    7. kbfilmworks Samurai
      2017-09-10T19:43:52+10:00Added an answer on September 10, 2017 at 7:43 pm

      CraigD

      Thanks for the comment. The protagonist’s action is actually ‘holds a gangland bar hostage’ and it’s pretty strong – one person against a bar full of gangsters. Also, the ‘deadly secret’ element is not about action – it creates intrigue.

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    8. dpg Singularity
      2017-09-10T22:58:42+10:00Added an answer on September 10, 2017 at 10:58 pm

      Kbfilmworks,

      I wholeheartedly agree that a pitch is ?a seduction, a strip tease. ?But it’s got to flash enough skin, or at least deliver enough of bump and grind, ?to lure the mark in.

      This version doesn’t flash enough skin, just doesn’t have the bump and grind to lure me in. ?But different strokes for different folks so maybe it will work for others. ?(Although I reiterate that your strip tease has to compete for attention with scores ?–hundreds? — of other loglines for the SciFi genre. )

      Best wishes for this story.. Regards

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