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Posted: July 11, 20172017-07-11T00:08:26+10:00 2017-07-11T00:08:26+10:00In: Horror

A rapidly spreading sickness causes a suicidal teenager to put aside her intentions to save her loved ones.

A rapidly spreading sickness causes a suicidal teenager to put aside her intentions to save her loved ones.

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    1. Foxtrot25 Uberwriter
      2017-07-11T00:18:45+10:00Added an answer on July 11, 2017 at 12:18 am

      Djhasma,

      Describe the sickness somehow. Is it unknown? Is it manmade? Is it natural?

      You expect your audience to root for a suicidal teenager? I’ll pass on that. Does the teenager attempt to commit suicide each act, but somehow fail? You can make your MC struggle to want to live for some reason, but it better be a good one, and it better be something she can recover from.

      With what you got so far, I’m more interested in the sickness than your MC. That ain’t a good thing.

      Save her loved ones? How? Why would someone hellbent on taking her own life, care about other lives enough to save them?

      Focus on the recovering aspect of your MC and give us a little more about the goals/stakes/urgency of your story.

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    2. Dkpough1 Uberwriter
      2017-07-11T01:56:00+10:00Added an answer on July 11, 2017 at 1:56 am

      “A rapidly spreading sickness causes a suicidal teenager to put aside her intentions to save her loved ones.”

      Foxtrot, there have been many characters, some quite popular who are suicidal or depressed. The best example I can think of at the moment is Martin Riggs from the Lethal Weapon franchise. In the movies and the television series he doesn’t want to live because his wife died. The audience wants to see that enough that it spawned three sequels and a Fox television show(that was renewed for a second season). Someone who is suicidal doesn’t necessarily mean they are determined to end their own life. It can mean depression and that person being more reckless, with no regard for their safety. ?I think that is what Djhasma was going for.

      However, I do agree that the logline needs to better present her state of mind as an obstacle and risk and show the character arc.
      The logline fails to describe a visual action. How is a teenager equipped and able to stop this sickness?

      Here’s an example:?After her parents are infected and?turn into feral?beasts, a suicidal teenager volunteers for a dangerous mission to recover a cure so she can save her family. ?(28)

      This example may not be what your story is but I’ve included my suggestions. What action does you character go through to achieve her goal? Also, why wouldn’t the adults do something? Why must this teenager do this? Not the military, scientists, cops, but this one teenage girl?

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    3. Foxtrot25 Uberwriter
      2017-07-11T02:39:27+10:00Added an answer on July 11, 2017 at 2:39 am

      Dk,

      True, there are good examples such as lethal weapon, but Riggs was an adult who already had a major loss after a successful marriage. A teenager who wants to suicide is well, just that. I agree, uncoin this MC as “a suicidal teenager” because it sounds so pre destined ?and perhaps use “a gifted teenager, who lost her will to live” which may garner more sympathy.

      Then there is the question of what a teenager can offer vs. a disease. Your log version certainly clears all the questions about plot. I hope the OP has this covered in their story.

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    4. Dkpough1 Uberwriter
      2017-07-11T06:05:55+10:00Added an answer on July 11, 2017 at 6:05 am

      What’s the difference? Someone who is suicidal is someone who is suicidal, despite age or their life experiences. Teenagers and other young people are the ones more likely to commit suicide, or consider it. What about the fact that she’s a teenager means her being suicidal makes a bad character, a bad story?
      To go back to Martin Riggs, he is suicidal and he’s a cop. A cop, someone who helps people everyday. He cares about Murtaugh and his family even though he’s suicidal. As dpg said, suicidal is someone who is likely to attempt suicide, has suicidal thoughts. While it doesn’t mean exactly the same as “lost her will to live” it encompasses that and since author of the logline described her as that, is likely to more closely encompass her character.
      I just don’t understand why you see a teenage character described as suicidal as such a problem.
      One more?note, you mentioned that an audience may not sympathize with her if she’s described as suicidal, and while I don’t really agree with that I want to point out that?empathy is a much more effective thing to create for a character. ?As long as the character is interesting and the audience understands why they do something, no matter how bad it may seem, how unlikable they are an empathetic character will keep their attention. I’ve mentioned before the film Nightcrawler. Lou, played by Jake Gyllenhaal isn’t sympathetic, he does things that most people wouldn’t agree with and view as bad, but the audience’s attention is kept because we understand why, we?empathize,?and he does have some sympathetic traits. (Again, I recommend the great video essay which discusses this.)
      Now, taking a look at the logline, it is labelled as Horror. So, depending on the action the protagonist goes does to pursue her goal, suicidal may not be the best trait that will make a compelling Horror story. Because the conflict in?Horror movies is often created simply because the protagonist(s) wants to live.?But I just don’t understand why you see describing a teenage character as suicidal as such a bad thing.

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    5. DJhasMS Logliner
      2017-07-11T07:04:12+10:00Added an answer on July 11, 2017 at 7:04 am

      REV:

      On the verge of?suicide, an insecure teen?is?expected to care for her alcoholic father during a quarentine but when?her father is forced to spend time in close quarters with her polyamorous lovers she must keep the peace to keep them safe and inside before one, or all, of them break out of the apt complex and become exposed to a mysterious illness.

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    6. Richiev Singularity
      2017-07-11T09:39:16+10:00Added an answer on July 11, 2017 at 9:39 am

      Your logline is a bit backwards

      In a story there is an incident, that causes the lead character to do something
      In your logline there is an incident which causes the lead character to ‘not’ do something

      I would concentrate the logline on what the lead character will do, not what they won’t do.

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    7. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2017-07-11T11:12:37+10:00Added an answer on July 11, 2017 at 11:12 am

      Richiev nailed the main problem with this logline – the order of the descriptions.

      Think of a logline as an easy to understand description of the main sequence of events in your story.

      About the latest draft of the logline on this thread, it is too long, the MC description makes it hard to empathize with her and the goal is vague.

      Loglines are best kept between 25 and 30 words, this forces you to refine the concept to the primary plot in your story (it also makes it far easier for a reader to grasp).

      Secondly, if your main character is crazy and suicidal it is hard to believe she can do anything especially take care of herself much less others. As pointed out by DPG and Foxtrot25, her being suicidal is a problem. Yes, there have been good characters in successful films that were suicidal but not many, to that matter, most of them had depression as defining characteristic not necessarily suicidal thoughts, perhaps best to redefine her as depressed instead. Suicidal characters can be written well but are harder to pull off and sell.

      Lastly, define what it is she needs to achieve as an event that will clearly frame her actions in a finite amount of time. Prevent others from breaking quarantine can go on for a very long time, what is it she must do that will make it clear beyond doubt that she has achieved her objective?

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    8. Dkpough1 Uberwriter
      2017-07-11T13:11:30+10:00Added an answer on July 11, 2017 at 1:11 pm

      “On the verge of?suicide, an insecure teen?is?expected to care for her alcoholic father during a quarentine but when?her father is forced to spend time in close quarters with her polyamorous lovers she must keep the peace to keep them safe and inside before one, or all, of them break out of the apt complex and become exposed to a mysterious illness.” (65 words)

      There is too much background at the beginning which can be integrated into the description of the main plot. The description of the character’s flaw doesn’t seem to add anything to story, whether as a character flaw or as a skill she can use to accomplish her goal. Also, the conflict is unclear, and makes the characters seem illogical. If they all know about the illness and that they’ll be infected if they leave, why would any of them leave, no matter how much conflict they have among themselves?

      The logline is described as horror. So what is the horror element? What is the character or force that causes the horror?
      On another note, how does this concept differ from multiple other infection movies? Zombie movies? It seems like yet another movie about uninfected people trying to avoid being infected, and the main character have conflict between themselves. What does your concept offer that’s different from what’s already been done?
      And, as Nir Shelter pointed out, what is the specific goal? What must she accomplish or fail at for the conflict to be resolved? ?A logline should describe a clear, visual action, what a viewer would see on screen, what a producer would be able record to put on a screen.

      I hope this helps.

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    9. Foxtrot25 Uberwriter
      2017-07-12T00:42:20+10:00Added an answer on July 12, 2017 at 12:42 am

      The re-writes are a machete when we need a scalpel.

      A troubled teen?must somehow help her family survive inside of a quarantine zone until the cure for a mysterious illness can be found.

      I don’t see any reason to reveal that she is suicidal. If she is, fine. Have her deal with it inside of the story. Usually, in sci-fi stories like this, the MC has the cure lingering inside of their body somehow. If this is not the case here, I still fail to see how a teenager will save the day in the end, but hey, I hope the OP has figured it out somehow and this gets made.

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