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ChasFisher
Posted: September 9, 20122012-09-09T11:07:33+10:00 2012-09-09T11:07:33+10:00

As a cursed detective struggles to contain the wolf within, he suspects he is being framed for murder. With the true killer desperate to expose the existence of werewolves, the detective must accept the beast within… or be lost to the wolf forever.

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    1. Alexpsmith Penpusher
      2012-09-09T11:21:02+10:00Added an answer on September 9, 2012 at 11:21 am

      Hmm sounds like a classic double trouble shapeshifting protag is antag werewolf saga . Got the Synopsis . Cool subject .

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    2. ChasFisher
      2012-09-09T11:24:02+10:00Added an answer on September 9, 2012 at 11:24 am

      Thanks. Works as a logline?

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    3. Andrew Bates Logliner
      2012-09-10T12:55:35+10:00Added an answer on September 10, 2012 at 12:55 pm

      To me the logline is a little wordy, refers to the beast/wolf within in twice…

      When a cursed detective is framed by a killer who’s desire is to expose the existence of werewolves, he must clear his name, accept the wolf within or be lost to the beast forever.

      As a cursed detective struggles with the beast within, the masquerade of his kind is threaten when he’s framed for murder, the detective must clear his name, accept the wolf or be lost to it forever.

      Something like that but better! 🙂
      Best of luck.

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    4. Andrew Bates Logliner
      2012-09-10T13:01:01+10:00Added an answer on September 10, 2012 at 1:01 pm

      But in saying that, mine is long also. Hope the input helps either way.

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    5. ChasFisher
      2012-09-11T10:45:12+10:00Added an answer on September 11, 2012 at 10:45 am

      How about this Andrew:

      As a cursed detective is framed by a killer determined to expose the existence of werewolves, he must accept the beast within or be lost to it forever.

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    6. Andrew Bates Logliner
      2012-09-11T12:45:56+10:00Added an answer on September 11, 2012 at 12:45 pm

      Sounds good. So clearing his name of murder Isn’t his goal?

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    7. sharkeatingman
      2012-09-12T01:43:23+10:00Added an answer on September 12, 2012 at 1:43 am

      “As a cursed detective is framed by a killer determined to expose the existence of werewolves, he must accept the beast within or be lost to it forever.”

      I think it’s a good start (even though I’ve seen enough werewolf concepts for two lifetimes!)

      There’s something missing, though. What’s the hook? I get that the detective is framed by a killer.

      I get that the detective is a werewolf.

      The killer is “determined to expose the evidence of werewolves”; this is odd. He’s a killer, right? Who cares what he was to “expose”? Does he or does he not know the detective is a werewolf. I’m imagining that he doesn’t otherwise he would just “expose him”.

      Are you really telling us is this guy who wants to “expose” the existence of werewolves, knows the detective is one, so he himself kills someone to make it look like the detective did it? It seems a bit convoluted, when all he really has to do is get proof that the detective is an actual werewolf.

      Lastly, the idea of “accepting the beast or be lost forever”? Is that really a choice? It seems to me, working as a detective, he has already made that decision to accept it. If he can’t, he can kill himself. Someone either has that moral compass or they don’t. IMO, they don’t “accept” being murdering, carnivorous lycanthropes after living a relatively “good life” prior to that.

      In summary, I think the logline has promise, but it lacks a true “hook”- something that separates it from all others. In addition, the concept as it currently stands seems a bit flawed.

      Good luck with it, and hope this helps the creative juices some!

      Geno Scala (sharkeatingman)- judge

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    8. ChasFisher
      2012-09-12T08:47:27+10:00Added an answer on September 12, 2012 at 8:47 am

      Hey Sharkeatingman
      ,

      Thanks for the feedback! Unfortunately your feedback is directed to the story/script and not the logline per se. The script is already written and has attracted a producer and I think I have handled the problems you have raised.

      I guess the issue your feedback indicates is that while my script may be good, the logline does not sell it.

      Any thoughts on how I could improve the logline if the plot is relatively set?

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    9. sharkeatingman
      2012-09-12T11:38:37+10:00Added an answer on September 12, 2012 at 11:38 am

      Hi, Chas!

      Actually the feedback was my direct response TO the logline, and since the logline is supposed to reflect the story, any weaknesses (and strengths) of a concept and/or story is almost ALWAYS reflected through the logline.

      If you’ve handled the problems that I pointed out, then whatever changes you made to correct those issues need to be addresses in the logline. Sounds to me like you may have fixed one, but not the other.

      I’m not entirely sure you can translate what I said in my earlier post to mean that “while my script is good”. Clearly, if you are missing the “hook” in the logline, there’s a pretty good chance it is also absent in the story. If you have one in the story, then just highlight it in the new logline. Easy peasy.
      But…

      …since you indicated that the script written “attracted a producer”, I’m sure even having a logline is immaterial at this point- unless, of course, the producer doesn’t buy it or option it from you. I hope he does.

      It appears that I’ve done all I can, and anything I can add will only muck up what you’ve accomplished thus far. Sounds like you have it under control.

      Good luck going forward!

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    10. ChasFisher
      2012-09-12T11:49:47+10:00Added an answer on September 12, 2012 at 11:49 am

      Haha! Thanks! I didn’t mean to sound ungrateful.

      I felt that having a detective who is (a) a werewolf and (b) framed for murder would be enough of a hook.

      The detective has not “accepted” his curse as he ties himself up in silver chains every full moon, causing himself agony.

      The killer indeed knows he is a werewolf, but sets up a series of horrific murders every full moon in order sow the seeds in the public’s mind whilst at the same time trying to convince the detective to reveal his secret (the detective is obviously not aware that his mentor is in fact the killer).

      In order to prevail, the detective has to actively choose to Turn, to welcome the beast, to do everything he does not believe in.

      And I do need a good logline because I am heading to LA next month to try and get representation. So, given the above story… I need a better logline to address your reactions.

      Thanks so much again for engaging in this conversation!

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    11. sharkeatingman
      2012-09-12T12:15:37+10:00Added an answer on September 12, 2012 at 12:15 pm

      I don’t mean to come off as judgmental or condescending, but besides writing scripts for a living, I also operate The Script Mentor (www.thescriptmentor.com), specifically to help newer writers from making expensive mistakes (I apologize for making huge leaps and assumptions here). Since I do not know you, I am apologizing up front. When I hear “I’m going to L.A. next month to try to get representation”, I become very concerned, and if you are open to some thoughts and suggestions on that front (a “checklist” if you will), you may contact me. It is how we prepare our mentees for any such plans.

      Now, about the logline: You had to write a lot of words to make a clearer picture, and I still have questions. The logline doesn’t necessarily have to tell ALL of the story, with every nuance and twist, but we should have a GOOD IDEA of the story just from reading it, and have our imagination fill in the holes.

      The good news is I sort of figured out the general plot from your original logline, which supports my opinion of it being “a good start”. The problem, I think, does lie in the plausibility of the plot. I’m not understanding why his mentor- the actual killer- who’s goal is to expose the true existence of werewolves, not just expose the detective for being a werewolf? Or are you saying that the killer is making it seem like there’s a werewolf, but doesn’t really believe in them?

      Lastly, your protag is in conflict: to either spend his life in prison (or be executed) or choose to expose himself as a werewolf, and somehow try to convince people he’s NOT the killer? Seems to me, if he exposed his wolfness, it would only go to stregthen the case against him.

      Plausibility is a huge issue in many stories, so don’t feel as though I’m picking on you. I’m not. With this confused (at least on my part) plot issue, the logline can’t be any better than it is, IMO, and yours will be as good as anything I could possibly suggest. I’m all about helping, but sometimes even I get tapped out on ideas that doesn’t include major changes.

      Geno Scala (sharkeatingman)- judge

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