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Nicholas Andrew HallsSamurai
Posted: August 23, 20142014-08-23T13:20:29+10:00 2014-08-23T13:20:29+10:00In: Public

In order to create a replacement ?Master Vampire? after his is accidentally killed, a perfectionist thrall has 48 hours to steal and consume the blood of 100 virgins from a mobile high-school blood bank, before he and his master's other sons' powers wain, and they succumb to mortality.

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    1. dpg Singularity
      2014-08-23T23:53:25+10:00Added an answer on August 23, 2014 at 11:53 pm

      When his vampire master dies, a vampire servant has 100 hours to break into blood banks, identify, and consume the blood of a 100 virgins or else he and his fellow servants will die.

      It’s a situation comedy, right…right?

      (I expanded “thrall” to “vampire servant” for the sake of the uninitiated.)

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    2. dpg Singularity
      2014-08-23T23:53:25+10:00Added an answer on August 23, 2014 at 11:53 pm

      When his vampire master dies, a vampire servant has 100 hours to break into blood banks, identify, and consume the blood of a 100 virgins or else he and his fellow servants will die.

      It’s a situation comedy, right…right?

      (I expanded “thrall” to “vampire servant” for the sake of the uninitiated.)

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    3. mrliteral Samurai
      2014-08-24T00:22:44+10:00Added an answer on August 24, 2014 at 12:22 am

      Way too long and convoluted. Too many unnecessary details. I’m not even sure what the story is until I stop and think and sort it out. You don’t want a logline forcing people to stop and think to understand it; you want it to be clear and concise. Keep it simple, keep it short, keep it moving. Here’s a possible alternative:

      “When a vampire servant accidentally kills his Master, he must collect the blood of a hundred virgins before his entire family succumbs to mortality.”

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    4. mrliteral Samurai
      2014-08-24T00:22:44+10:00Added an answer on August 24, 2014 at 12:22 am

      Way too long and convoluted. Too many unnecessary details. I’m not even sure what the story is until I stop and think and sort it out. You don’t want a logline forcing people to stop and think to understand it; you want it to be clear and concise. Keep it simple, keep it short, keep it moving. Here’s a possible alternative:

      “When a vampire servant accidentally kills his Master, he must collect the blood of a hundred virgins before his entire family succumbs to mortality.”

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    5. Nicholas Andrew Halls Samurai
      2014-08-24T11:21:22+10:00Added an answer on August 24, 2014 at 11:21 am

      Thanks guys – hear what you’re saying. The good part of your responses is that it’s regarding the working of the logline, not the working of the story, so at least that appears to be working.

      dpg – totally agree with “servant”, also with the event being the death and not the killing of the master vampire (being that the event needs to happen TO the protag, and the ‘accidental killing’ makes it appear that it’s by his own actions that the call to action occurs. Will keep tossing this around in my head, but I think for the sake of the logline ‘dies’ is more succinct).

      mrliteral – agree with the need for economy in the logline, I think it’s necessary to keep the idea of ‘stealing’ the blood in (as the second act is a heist movie). Ultimately, that’s the hook. Without it, the story comes across as about a bunch of vampires who have to kill a bunch of people … which is way less interesting than ‘vampires rob a blood bank’. I guess the ‘hundred virgins’ thing isn’t even really necessary – just ‘enough blood’ would suffice to say in the logline. Also, I think that the time clock idea is necessary, otherwise these guys have the rest of their lifespans to complete this, making the feat far less difficult?

      So, how about this:

      “When his master dies, a perfectionist vampire’s servant has two days to steal enough blood from a mobile blood-bank to save his and his brothers’ lives.”

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    6. Nicholas Andrew Halls Samurai
      2014-08-24T11:21:22+10:00Added an answer on August 24, 2014 at 11:21 am

      Thanks guys – hear what you’re saying. The good part of your responses is that it’s regarding the working of the logline, not the working of the story, so at least that appears to be working.

      dpg – totally agree with “servant”, also with the event being the death and not the killing of the master vampire (being that the event needs to happen TO the protag, and the ‘accidental killing’ makes it appear that it’s by his own actions that the call to action occurs. Will keep tossing this around in my head, but I think for the sake of the logline ‘dies’ is more succinct).

      mrliteral – agree with the need for economy in the logline, I think it’s necessary to keep the idea of ‘stealing’ the blood in (as the second act is a heist movie). Ultimately, that’s the hook. Without it, the story comes across as about a bunch of vampires who have to kill a bunch of people … which is way less interesting than ‘vampires rob a blood bank’. I guess the ‘hundred virgins’ thing isn’t even really necessary – just ‘enough blood’ would suffice to say in the logline. Also, I think that the time clock idea is necessary, otherwise these guys have the rest of their lifespans to complete this, making the feat far less difficult?

      So, how about this:

      “When his master dies, a perfectionist vampire’s servant has two days to steal enough blood from a mobile blood-bank to save his and his brothers’ lives.”

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    7. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2014-08-24T12:18:36+10:00Added an answer on August 24, 2014 at 12:18 pm

      Hey Nick.

      I think “…perfectionist…” is superfluous it isn’t quite a flaw when considering the MC as a vampire and it dos’nt seam to add to his difficulty in getting over the obstacle. Perhaps consider an adjective that would necessarily create a conflict in our minds between him trying to do something and the way he is, for example: over ambitious, desperate, timid, anxious, etc…

      Good call changing killing to death but maybe best to use this event to the maximum potential it presents could use it to set up an antagonist that caused the death of the master.

      As for the ticking time bomb, the idea of a time limit isn’t inherent from the situation and needs clarification. If it is critical to the story then it dosn’t come across as such in the logline.

      Also not sure that the part about the brother holds any clear relation to the rest of the story at this stage. If this is a B plot perhaps it shouldn’t be in the logline or needs to be re worked in to better serve the logline and story.

      My try:
      When his master is killed by a rivaling head-vampire, an anxious vampire servant has 48 hours to steal blood from a mobile blood bank to grow strong enough to defend him self and his brother from meeting the same fate.

      Hope this helps.

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    8. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2014-08-24T12:18:36+10:00Added an answer on August 24, 2014 at 12:18 pm

      Hey Nick.

      I think “…perfectionist…” is superfluous it isn’t quite a flaw when considering the MC as a vampire and it dos’nt seam to add to his difficulty in getting over the obstacle. Perhaps consider an adjective that would necessarily create a conflict in our minds between him trying to do something and the way he is, for example: over ambitious, desperate, timid, anxious, etc…

      Good call changing killing to death but maybe best to use this event to the maximum potential it presents could use it to set up an antagonist that caused the death of the master.

      As for the ticking time bomb, the idea of a time limit isn’t inherent from the situation and needs clarification. If it is critical to the story then it dosn’t come across as such in the logline.

      Also not sure that the part about the brother holds any clear relation to the rest of the story at this stage. If this is a B plot perhaps it shouldn’t be in the logline or needs to be re worked in to better serve the logline and story.

      My try:
      When his master is killed by a rivaling head-vampire, an anxious vampire servant has 48 hours to steal blood from a mobile blood bank to grow strong enough to defend him self and his brother from meeting the same fate.

      Hope this helps.

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    9. Nicholas Andrew Halls Samurai
      2014-08-29T09:30:30+10:00Added an answer on August 29, 2014 at 9:30 am

      After his master is left for dead by a brutal hunter, a pacifist vampire’s servant must steal enough blood to prevent his family’s death.

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    10. Nicholas Andrew Halls Samurai
      2014-08-29T09:30:30+10:00Added an answer on August 29, 2014 at 9:30 am

      After his master is left for dead by a brutal hunter, a pacifist vampire’s servant must steal enough blood to prevent his family’s death.

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    11. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2014-08-29T11:28:05+10:00Added an answer on August 29, 2014 at 11:28 am

      This reads much better as it’s leaner, the stakes are clearer and a pacifist vampire sounds an interesting combination. It’s similar in that sense to Brad Pitt’s character from Interview with the Vampire.

      Whilst a pacifist vampire that refuse to kill and needs to rob a blood bank sounds interesting I still think that the stakes need to be directly related to the antagonist somehow. By doing this you put the act of stealing blood in a unity of action with that of defeating the bad guy and make it a far more compelling story.

      “After his master is left for dead by a brutal hunter, a pacifist vampire?s servant must steal enough blood to prevent his family from being hunted as well.”

      I get that servants a probably conventions of the vampire world but I still can’t shake the negative connotation to the word servant/thrall or maybe that’s just me. Is there a better position you can give him?
      Loyal butler, personal physician, immortal companion, eternal tennis partner…

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    12. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2014-08-29T11:28:05+10:00Added an answer on August 29, 2014 at 11:28 am

      This reads much better as it’s leaner, the stakes are clearer and a pacifist vampire sounds an interesting combination. It’s similar in that sense to Brad Pitt’s character from Interview with the Vampire.

      Whilst a pacifist vampire that refuse to kill and needs to rob a blood bank sounds interesting I still think that the stakes need to be directly related to the antagonist somehow. By doing this you put the act of stealing blood in a unity of action with that of defeating the bad guy and make it a far more compelling story.

      “After his master is left for dead by a brutal hunter, a pacifist vampire?s servant must steal enough blood to prevent his family from being hunted as well.”

      I get that servants a probably conventions of the vampire world but I still can’t shake the negative connotation to the word servant/thrall or maybe that’s just me. Is there a better position you can give him?
      Loyal butler, personal physician, immortal companion, eternal tennis partner…

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    13. Nicholas Andrew Halls Samurai
      2014-08-29T17:36:23+10:00Added an answer on August 29, 2014 at 5:36 pm

      Thanks so much for your help on this so far man.

      I hear what you’re saying re: linking the antagonist to the goal / stakes, but I think it sounds clunky when I attempt it. I don’t think “to prevent his family from being hunted as well” rolls off the tongue. Perhaps it just needs to be changed to “must steal enough blood to protect his family” … more needed you reckon?

      Also – I can find another word that is less accurate to describe the character … but he is 100% a thrall, a servant, as per pretty standard vampiric lore. That’s what he is, and I’m OK with calling him servant for the sake of accurate communication, but I think anything else lies about the nature of his function in his world. Perhaps ‘caretaker’ could work?

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    14. Nicholas Andrew Halls Samurai
      2014-08-29T17:36:23+10:00Added an answer on August 29, 2014 at 5:36 pm

      Thanks so much for your help on this so far man.

      I hear what you’re saying re: linking the antagonist to the goal / stakes, but I think it sounds clunky when I attempt it. I don’t think “to prevent his family from being hunted as well” rolls off the tongue. Perhaps it just needs to be changed to “must steal enough blood to protect his family” … more needed you reckon?

      Also – I can find another word that is less accurate to describe the character … but he is 100% a thrall, a servant, as per pretty standard vampiric lore. That’s what he is, and I’m OK with calling him servant for the sake of accurate communication, but I think anything else lies about the nature of his function in his world. Perhaps ‘caretaker’ could work?

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    15. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2014-08-30T14:15:08+10:00Added an answer on August 30, 2014 at 2:15 pm

      Yes must steal enough blood to protect his family? sounds better and yes “caretaker” or “loyal caretaker” also sounds better.

      But I still feel like just steeling blood whether to feed his family or himself is not compelling enough of an action to sustain my interest in this instance. The fantasy-Goth aspect of vampires aside the story is about a guy struggling to provide for his family like Will Smith in The Pursuit of Happiness. Will Smith’s character is a struggling all round good guy underdog, however your MC is a natural killer, all be it rejecting his nature but a natural killer none the less and an outlaw so in a way he’s an anti-hero.

      I think that an anti-hero struggling to provide for his family is less interesting than an anti-hero fighting a bona fide bad guy. Mostly because I can’t see the tangible goal to end the problem he has, that is “to provide for his family” or the equivalent in vampire terms “… steal enough blood to prevent his family?s death.”
      How long have they been starving for? How long can they go without blood? How many of them are there? If he gets the blood he needs now how will he feed them in a months time?

      I don’t think these questions should be answered in the logline but are inherently present after reading the current draft of it.

      I would suggest shifting the focus of the logline away from the specific form in which he provides for his family and onto an easily understood imminent threat. Perhaps in his pacifism he befriended a person that works for the blood bank who sneaks out bags of blood for him and his brother/family.

      Then after his master is killed their lives and source of food are threatened and he must fight to save them all.

      I like fantasy and horror films and think this is a nice and refreshing take on Vampire stories (un like the horrid treatment the genre got in Daybreakers and other poorly structured films) so definitely worth perusing.

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    16. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2014-08-30T14:15:08+10:00Added an answer on August 30, 2014 at 2:15 pm

      Yes must steal enough blood to protect his family? sounds better and yes “caretaker” or “loyal caretaker” also sounds better.

      But I still feel like just steeling blood whether to feed his family or himself is not compelling enough of an action to sustain my interest in this instance. The fantasy-Goth aspect of vampires aside the story is about a guy struggling to provide for his family like Will Smith in The Pursuit of Happiness. Will Smith’s character is a struggling all round good guy underdog, however your MC is a natural killer, all be it rejecting his nature but a natural killer none the less and an outlaw so in a way he’s an anti-hero.

      I think that an anti-hero struggling to provide for his family is less interesting than an anti-hero fighting a bona fide bad guy. Mostly because I can’t see the tangible goal to end the problem he has, that is “to provide for his family” or the equivalent in vampire terms “… steal enough blood to prevent his family?s death.”
      How long have they been starving for? How long can they go without blood? How many of them are there? If he gets the blood he needs now how will he feed them in a months time?

      I don’t think these questions should be answered in the logline but are inherently present after reading the current draft of it.

      I would suggest shifting the focus of the logline away from the specific form in which he provides for his family and onto an easily understood imminent threat. Perhaps in his pacifism he befriended a person that works for the blood bank who sneaks out bags of blood for him and his brother/family.

      Then after his master is killed their lives and source of food are threatened and he must fight to save them all.

      I like fantasy and horror films and think this is a nice and refreshing take on Vampire stories (un like the horrid treatment the genre got in Daybreakers and other poorly structured films) so definitely worth perusing.

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