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Louise WeihartPenpusher
When a lonely, middle-aged Aussie long-distance truckie finds love online with a city girl, he must overcome his fear of losing what he loves most to win her heart.
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You’ve spent a lot of words describing your protagonist. Can you trim it a little? Give us the flaw and “truckie” (I’d remove Aussie, because you don’t want to limit the potential for international interest in the film. The story should be universal).
Your wording is confusing – if the goal of the truckie is to win the affection of the girl, don’t describe him as having found love in the “event” half of the logline; it weakens the stakes.
What does your truckie overcoming his fear look like? At the moment, the “action” half of your logline is too vague.
Thanks!!! Think it might need to be Aussie but love interest could be US immigrant. Definitely need to find the overriding flaw though ….
I don’t mean your script shouldn’t specify if your characters are Australian or American, but you shouldn’t put it in the logline in this case, because the fact that the character is Australian has no bearing on the character’s goal or stakes, and it might mean that some producers would turn your idea away, because they might not be looking for a film that can ONLY be made in Australia.
hmmm ok interesting thanks … the idea though is that it is definitely set in Australia. I had another go at the logline … what do u think? When a middle-aged {Aussie} truckie falls in love with a city writer online, he must venture out of his solitary world to connect with her in hers.
It’s certainly getting closer. My question about the revised logline is; who is your antagonist?
From what I understand (The Story Series course with Karel), in a love story you only need the hero (protagonist ie truckie) and their lover to be in conflict. Thanks so much for your feedback, much appreciated!!!
That may be true in some rom-coms, Louise, when the characters are in conflict (like How to Lose a Guy In 10 Days or When Harry Met Sally) … but your characters are not in conflict. The catalyst for your story is them falling in love. The action you are suggesting is that the trucker leaves his home and moves to the city. At this point in the story, there is no conflict – what is making their union difficult? Who is stopping the trucker from getting to the city?
ahhhh okay …. the antagonist is probably the truck!!! (which is also ‘the other woman’)
Or maybe he falls in love with her …. he now has to win her love ….
Not sure it’s about him moving to the city …. more about him being able to connect in the ‘real world’ out of the truck and off the road … ie her family and friends etc
“he must overcome his fear of losing what he loves most” — which is what? His independence, his privacy? If so, it’s a valid internal conflict, but there has to be outward manifestation of it, an objective goal. Eventually, he must choose between his flaw — or taking a risk for the grand prize of life: love.
Like the protagonist Ryan Bingham in “Up in the Air”. His job keeps him flying all the time, enables his preference for relationships with benefits but no commitments. Finally, he risk all for love. Okay, that choice ends with a shocking reveal and failure. It takes an A-list actor like George Clooney to pull off that kind of ending.
But the plot point remains: Clooney’s character finally risked all, put all his emotional chips in the pot for love and relationship.
What is the greatest risk your protagonist must take? What are the chips he must finally push into the pot, not knowing what card he will be dealt next?
Thanks for the awesome feedback dpg. I watched ‘Up in the Air’ last night. A brilliant story. I don’t know why but I didn’t really connect with the main character/s; felt much more empathy for the poor souls being spat out by the corporate machine. When George didn’t ‘get the girl’ in the end I didn’t really feel sorry for him …… Back to the truckie …. When a middle-aged truckie falls in love online with a city writer, he must leave the security of his truck and risk emotional vulnerability to connect with her in her world. … is emotional vulnerability too general?
In “Up in the Air”, the love story is the “B” story, a complicating counterpoint to the “A” story.
Ryan Bingham’s objective goal is to make the million-mile club. In order to achieve that goal, he MUST stay in the air rather than be stuck at the home office firing people remotely in front of a computer terminal. (And he achieves his “A” story objective goal, but because of his failure in the “B” story, it’s a hollow victory.)
So what’s your character’s “A” story and what is the “A” story objective goal? The love-relationship plot line isn’t usually the “A” story. Although it can be; the most congenial genre for that configuration is romantic comedy.
If the “A” story in your plot is about love, then what’s the counterpoint “B” story that relates to — and complicates — the “A” story?
The A story is the love story – the romantic comedy. The guy wants the girl. Will he get her? The B story is fraught with complications/obstacles … he’s a country boy, she’s a city girl; he’s used to being alone and only fending for himself; she is a single mother to two teenage daughters; he is introverted, disconnected from the ‘real’ world….
Okay, but again, to clarify: “What does he loves most” that he has to be willing to sacrifice for the sake of love? Whatever it is may figure in the logline as it’s central to his dramatic dilemma.
His freedom.
When a middle-aged truckie falls in love online with a city journalist, he must sacrifice his freedom to win her heart.
Might be good to get the truck in there as well to show who/what the antagonist is.
When a middle-aged truckie falls in love online with a city journalist, he must sacrifice is freedom and venture out of the security of his truck, to win her heart.
Does what he needs to overcome also need to be in the logline?
Your comments have been so helpful. Thank you.
Louise Weihart:
I’m afraid at the moment, I have more questions that answers. For one thing, I don’t see the truck as an antagonist. Rather, it’s a device that enables/facilitates his dramatic flaw, just as the jet enables/facilitates Bingham’s dramatic flaw. (In “Up in the Air”, Bingham’s antagonist is Natalie Keener with her scheme to fire employees remotely, eliminating Bingham’s frequent flyer lifestyle.)
So that raises the question: who is the antagonist? A rival for her affections? Someone at work with a grand scheme that threatens the guy’s freedom of the road? (And what is the nature of his freedom of the road: short haul or long haul? Does he transport cross country or just around a city?)
Another question: As the love story in your script is the primary narrative, “A” story, instead of the secondary narrative, “B” story (as in “Up in the Air”), would it make sense in terms of balancing out the relationship story that she has to make an equivalent sacrifice? If so, what might she have to give up for him?
fwiw.
What about if the girl was an agoraphobic? Potential for conflict, and plays into your desire to have the truckie “give up his freedom” for love. The truck itself is the representation of freedom in this story; by selling it, it’s making the statement that he’s ready to settle down. I agree with dpg – the truck is not an antagonist (unless it is sentient – like the car in Knightrider, but I’m guess that’s not the vibe you’re going for).
You still face the problem of there being no antagonist though …
“After his soul mate turns out to be an agoraphobic, a free-spirited trucker sells his rig to prove his love.” Still … antagonists, right?
dpg and nicholas, thanks. dpg – he’s long distance, away for weeks at a time. I’m having enough trouble with him (lol) … haven’t got to her yet. Sacrificing his freedom is more about emotional freedom than freedom of the road. He has to become someone that doesn’t just live for the day but has to learn to share, make plans, not have it all his way. nicholas, that’s a great logline but that’s would be the end of the story. As it is now, we only find out if he does that at the end. She’s not agrophobic though – on the contrary – she wants to head off into in the sunset in the truck and that is partly what threatens his freedom … both literally having to figure out where to stop to meet her and then being there on time … but also emotionally in that he can’t enjoy his freedom when she’s not with him cos all he’s thinking about is her. So in that way she is also the antagonist/opponent … but we can always find another one .. could the antagonist be the one that threatens his fight for love … or does it have to be the one that threatens his freedom on the road …..
Louise Weihart:
This discussion thread got me to wondering: In a script where the relationship/love-story is the “A” story (such as yours), is it always necessary to have a antagonist for the plot to work? Are there exceptions to the rule that every script must have a flesh and blood antagonist?
Two possible exceptions came to mind: “When Harry Met Sally” and “Brokeback Mountain”. In both films, the relationship between the couple is not seriously threatened by a specific flesh and blood antagonist. But the couple in “When Harry Met Sally” are confronted by an important social/philosophical ‘antagonist’, and in “Brokeback Mountain” by a lethal cultural ‘antagonist’.
Early on in “When Harry Met Sally”, the couple have a heated argument over the question: Can men and women just be friends, real friends without sex coming into play and ruining the relationship? That becomes the social and philosophical ‘antagonist’ that raises the conflicts and complications that drive the plot.
In “Brokeback Mountain”, the ‘antagonist’ is the virulent homophobia of that era and place that raises the conflicts and complications that drive the plot.
So my tentative hypothetical is: if the story has no flesh and blood antagonist, then the two would-be lovers should be confronted by a formidable ‘antagonist’ in the form of some cultural bias or social or philosophical issue at stake. If not some person, than some external idea or value or tradition must stand between them and living happily ever after.
[But I would point out that in “Romeo & Juliet”, Shakespeare has antagonistic values (hate opposing love) and an antagonistic culture (a tradition of feuding families)– and a flesh and blood antagonist (Tybalt), the embodiment, the personification of the conflicting values and families. A three-fer.]
Can the ‘antagonist’ be entirely internal, psychological in a film? I’m not sure because film demands that conflict be visualized, which is to say, externalized; it’s got to be there on the screen for the audience to see. Can you think of a commerically or critically successful film that has pulled off that trick?