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thedarkhorseSamurai
Posted: March 13, 20202020-03-13T19:18:21+10:00 2020-03-13T19:18:21+10:00In: Western

When the town bully humiliates him, a mild-mannered cowboy sets out to reclaim his dignity, only to accidentally kill the man, and set off his violent outlaw family.

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    1. thedarkhorse Samurai
      2020-03-13T19:20:59+10:00Added an answer on March 13, 2020 at 7:20 pm

      I had some other versions of this – but thought I’d lead with the shortest.

      When the town bully humiliates him, a mild-mannered cowboy sets out to reclaim his dignity, only to accidentally kill the man, and set off his violent outlaw family, who soon take over the town. – last 6 words I thought were redundant.

      and…

      When the town bully humiliates him, a mild-mannered cowboy sets out to reclaim his dignity, only to accidentally kill the man, and set off his family – a gang of violent outlaws. – again, I thought the one I used was quicker. But I dunno, this one seems clearer to me.

      What are your thoughts?

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    2. Outfox Code Logliner
      2020-03-13T19:37:25+10:00Added an answer on March 13, 2020 at 7:37 pm

      Hey, love the premise – I’m not sure on ‘town bully’ to me it sounds a little childlike which I don’t think is the tone you’re going for. Maybe ‘local hoodlum’ or something like that could work?

      Seems you’re mostly deliberating how to end the logline… how about – ‘only to accidentally kill the hoodlum, enraging their violent, outlaw family.’

      Whatever you go for, sounds like my kind of story. Good luck!

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    3. thedarkhorse Samurai
      2020-03-13T20:06:27+10:00Added an answer on March 13, 2020 at 8:06 pm

      Hey. Thanks AHarper. Yeah – I’ll think about “town bully”. I kept thinking it should start out small – not unlike a bully in the playground.

      The theme throughout is how violence escalates. You have this mild mannered guy who decides to fight back for once but it soon escalates into something far worse and involves the whole town.

      Should you fight back? Should you stand your ground? Should one fight violence with more violence? Will it end?

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    4. OlDustyDogg Logliner
      2020-03-13T20:08:44+10:00Added an answer on March 13, 2020 at 8:08 pm

      The one you posted is the best out of the three. Its a good concept IMO but I’m no expert. Seems like it could be a comedy. Maybe he ‘accidentally’ kills the outlaws out for vengeance as well.

      What is the cowboy going to do about his new predicament?
      Maybe the outlaw family already runs the town and he wants to free the people from oppression.

      Otherwise he could skip town, problem solved. Why does he stay to fight?

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    5. thedarkhorse Samurai
      2020-03-13T20:15:50+10:00Added an answer on March 13, 2020 at 8:15 pm

      Hi OlDustyDogg, I figured the family come to the town, take it over, and start beating/killing town members until our cowboy does something.

      Ha. Yeah it could be a comedy. In my head, I’m leaning more towards Greek tragedy ha.

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    6. Trix Samurai
      2020-03-13T21:14:46+10:00Added an answer on March 13, 2020 at 9:14 pm

      Hi darkhorse,

      I agree with the points the others have made. ?For my thoughts:

      • Town bully definitely brings connotations of school ground or teen players.
      • How does he set out to reclaim his dignity? ?By being a bully to the bully? ?Is this a realistic motivation for a mild-mannered guy even if he didn’t intend on killing him?
      • “Set off” – I think I get what you mean by this, but it’s not clear.
      • Who is your new antagonist? ?Needs to be a specific person in the outlaw family.
      • ?I have a sense of the trouble he’s now in, but it’s not clear exactly what the outlaws are planning or what the cowboy intends to do about it – as Dusty says, he could just run. Feels like this is conflict, but no stakes.
      • You mentioned the family coming to town and killing people until the cowboy does something, but that made me think – why aren’t they already in town (they’re his family) and why wouldn’t they just string up the cowboy?
      • I wonder if it would be worth considering this as a mafia story in the Wild West – a sort of Godfather meets High Noon? ?That way you could have the ‘family’ an outlaw gang running a protection racket on the town and the cowboy being driven to react for some reason. ?They would then come to town to flush out the killer of their goon, killing people until he shows himself?

      E.g. ?A mild-mannered cowboy must rally his tyrannised town into defending themselves after a protection racket goon is accidentally killed during his weekly collection. ?

      I like the irony of a mild-mannered cowboy being the one to have to rally defences. ? My example doesn’t give you the stakes though…

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    7. Richiev Singularity
      2020-03-13T21:18:22+10:00Added an answer on March 13, 2020 at 9:18 pm

      You are ending the logline with what sets the story in motion.

      If the problem is the family of the bully he killed is after him, then the story begins when he kills the bully.

      “When he accidentally kills the bully who tormented him, a mild-mannered cowboy must now outrun the bullies family who has vowed to kill him.”

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    8. deborah_b Logliner
      2020-03-13T21:54:47+10:00Added an answer on March 13, 2020 at 9:54 pm

      Nice concept.

      I wonder if you can minimise the clauses somehow. The number of commas made the story feel too slow. Something like:

      When a gentle cowboy sets out to reclaim his dignity against a local standover man, he accidentally commits murder and sets off the man’s violent outlaw family.

      (27 words)

      Or:

      When a peaceful cowboy accidentally kills a local standover man, he incites the man’s outlaw family into escalating acts of violence.

      (21 words)

      Agree with the previous comments on the use of the word ‘bully’. Also you’ll notice I played around with replacements for mild-mannered. Somehow mild-mannered doesn’t feel very Western genre, IMHO. More bank clerk or Jack Lemmon comedy (both good things!).

      Keep it up!

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    9. thedarkhorse Samurai
      2020-03-13T21:59:40+10:00Added an answer on March 13, 2020 at 9:59 pm

      TRIX –

      Town bully definitely brings connotations of school ground or teen players.

      Well – I figured he is. He’s a drunk. An idiot. Perhaps he’s not even all that bad. (Again I want this to be grey. Not black and white.) This guy probably has a wife and family and kids, etc.

      How does he set out to reclaim his dignity? By being a bully to the bully? Is this a realistic motivation for a mild-mannered guy even if he didn?t intend on killing him?

      Yeah – think of Dustin Hoffman in Straw Dogs. The little guy can only be pushed around so much. Perhaps this guy has spent years being emasculated, hen pecked. Masculinity is a big deal for him. Heck – perhaps psychologically it’s less about dignity and more about masculinity. And perhaps he discovers this later on.

      Who is your new antagonist? Needs to be a specific person in the outlaw family.

      I don’t think you’d need it in the logline. Admittedly that’s why I went with “- violent gang of outlaws” in that other logline. I mean there’s bound to be a leader of the pack. Perhaps in another reversal – our hero kills him off quickly. What do the other band members do when they’ve lost their leader – they get more band members, they get edgy, more violent.

      I have a sense of the trouble he?s now in, but it?s not clear exactly what the outlaws are planning or what the cowboy intends to do about it ? as Dusty says, he could just run. Feels like this is conflict, but no stakes.

      The interesting thing here is I don’t see our cowboy as a John McClane type – I think a part of him is leaning towards running away. If he does, how would he live with himself. I mean perhaps he does run? If this happens, I’d say the All is Lost/PP2. Our hero then realizes this outlaw family is very much here to stay – I mean they’ve taken over a town, rule over it with fear, why would they leave?

      Not only that, our hero is very much responsible for bringing them there – he would want to redeem himself before it gets even worse.

      You mentioned the family coming to town and killing people until the cowboy does something, but that made me think ? why aren?t they already in town (they?re his family) and why wouldn?t they just string up the cowboy?

      A family of outlaws – would probably be nomads, always moving. I imagined it would be a shock for everyone – this town bully is blood-related to some pretty hard people. Perhaps even the bully was running away from his family.

      Perhaps they do string him up… and then once in town, they take it over. Our cowboy escapes. Cause and effect. Cause and effect.

      I wonder if it would be worth considering this as a mafia story in the Wild West ? a sort of Godfather meets High Noon? That way you could have the ?family? an outlaw gang running a protection racket on the town and the cowboy being driven to react for some reason. They would then come to town to flush out the killer of their goon, killing people until he shows himself?

      Good idea. But I want to go by the KISS rule – keep it simple, keep it stupid. Certainly – it should be contained to 24 hrs.

      E.g. A mild-mannered cowboy must rally his tyrannised town into defending themselves after a protection racket goon is accidentally killed during his weekly collection.

      I like the irony of a mild-mannered cowboy being the one to have to rally defences. My example doesn?t give you the stakes though?

      Nice logline. Very specific. But there’s a lot more to digest there.

      Thanks for your input.

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    10. thedarkhorse Samurai
      2020-03-13T22:17:25+10:00Added an answer on March 13, 2020 at 10:17 pm

      Okay – thanks for the input everyone.

      I’m starting to see this (the story not the logline) as a weird hybrid of High Noon and A Simple Plan.

      That’s pretty cool.

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    11. dpg Singularity
      2020-03-13T23:42:21+10:00Added an answer on March 13, 2020 at 11:42 pm

      Agree with Richiev.

      Loglines are about objective goals,? places, persons or things that can be visualized on screen.

      >>>intends to reclaim his ?dignity?. (Which he later learns is his masculinity.)

      What’s the visual for “dignity”?? What does “his masculinity” look like? The elements of a logline should map to a visualized object, moment or scene in the film. In terms of cinema. “reclaiming dignity and masculinity” refer to subjective needs.

      The logline seems to bury the plot. 21 out of 28 words are about the setup for the plot, only 7 about the plot, the “fun and games” time (a la? the “Save the Cat” paradigm) that happens as a consequence.? And then only indirectly, in terms of? what the deceased’s family does, not in terms of what the main character must do.

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