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Nicholas Andrew HallsSamurai
Posted: October 10, 20132013-10-10T16:33:01+10:00 2013-10-10T16:33:01+10:00In: Public

A self-focused haematologist battles thousands of enemies to reach her boyfriend and save their relationship after learning he plans to dump her when he returns from a week long live-action role-playing tournament.

Lady of the LARP

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    1. andrewclau Logliner
      2013-10-10T19:16:13+10:00Added an answer on October 10, 2013 at 7:16 pm

      Hi Nic, when i first look at the logline it’s a little confusing but I think the elements are all here.

      You have the protagonist. A self-focused haemaologist. I assume you have picked a haematologist because there may be some bloodletting during the LARP? 🙂 Self focused meaning selfish – nice flaw.

      You have the compelling action/goal/story. “Battles thousands of enemies to reach her boyfriend and save their relationship.” You could be more specific here – maybe she needs to prove that she can work with other people, actually be caring of others? Perhaps she needs to join a team and win the competition to prove to her boyfriend she’s not so selfish?

      My main issue is the inciting incident which would be – “after intercepting an email detailing his intention to dump her when he returns from a week long live-action role-playing tournament.”
      I think an inciting incident needs to be something that happens to the protagonist rather than something that the protagonist does. So rather than having the protagonist intercept an email to discover she’s going to get dumped maybe the boyfriend makes it clear to her that he’s dumping her and needs to move her stuff out of her apartment?

      Maybe something along these lines:
      When her LARP obsessed boyfriend gives her a week to vacate his apartment and his life, a selfish haematologist will need to join the LARP to battle thousands of enemies and show that she cares about him to get him back.

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    2. dpg Singularity
      2013-10-11T03:11:20+10:00Added an answer on October 11, 2013 at 3:11 am

      A shy, meek woman discovers her inner warrior when she joins a LARP (Live Action Role-Playing) tournament to win back her LARP ex who has dumped her for a LARP player.

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    3. Nicholas Andrew Halls Samurai
      2013-10-11T09:04:49+10:00Added an answer on October 11, 2013 at 9:04 am

      Thanks for the feedback guys. I apologise for the wall of text. Brace yourselves.

      andrewclau – are you able to elaborate on what you found confusing about the logline. I re-read it, and I start with a protagonist, I define the goal, then I provide the stakes and an explanation as to “why?” It reads OK to me … but maybe I’ve just looked at it for too long. Obviously I want it to be clear on first reading.
      I picked a haematologist for a few reasons. The first is that I have a character who will need to learn to consider other people; their hopes and dreams and desires, before the end of the story. I thought a doctor would be a good protagonist for a character who is very self and goal focused, and it’s believable and reasonable to assume that a young doctor may put more time and effort into their work than they would their relationship. At the same time, I wanted a character who would always see themselves as the solution to the problem; and a tactical revelations she will have before the end of the story is that in order to take on a substantially superior force, she will need to use subterfuge – a haematologist, particularly with some experience of chemotherapy, would understand that the way cancer works is it gets into a system and then just multiplies. She translates this as a need to sew descent amongst the ranks of the “evil” army in the game.
      I definitely intend for the film to be about a character learning all of these things; “she needs to prove that she can work with other people, actually be caring of others?” But to make the story about her needing to win the competition kills what it’s actually about; she doesn’t CARE about the competition, but she learns to over the course of the story. Winning it is not important. What IS important is that it’s one of her boyfriend’s interests, and she should respect that.
      100% agree with you re: the inciting incident. I need to find a new way to reword it to make it clear that him planning to dump her is something that is revealed to her, not something that she actively discovers. The time clock doesn’t work for the story if he has already dumped her, unfortunately – I don’t believe this would compel a character to travel to Europe to compete in a tournament to “get him back” … because in that scenario the protagonist comes off as desperate and a little unhinged. If she finds out he INTENDS to break up with her upon returning from the tournament, the protagonist would consider that there’s still time to fix prior mistakes and save the relationship.

      dpg – last time I posted this logline, the overwhelming response was that no-one knew what LARPing was. So I’m going to avoid using it as an acronym in the logline. So I definitely don’t want to use it three times.
      You’ve suggested changing the character to a “shy, meek woman” as opposed to a “self-focused haematologist”. Aside from disagreeing with the idea that her defining characteristic is her gender, do you guys think that as well as describing a flaw (which inherently implies the character will have to OVERCOME this flaw before their goal can be achieved), it’s also necessary to state what the character will learn over the course of the story? (andrewclau, you suggested including “show that she cares about him” and dpg you suggested “discovers her inner warrior”). Don’t you think that what the protagonist will learn over the course of the story is indicated in the flaw and that any more time spent on it is a waste of word count? Self-focused, to me, suggests that this character is going to have to learn to be more empathetic, less self-focused, in order to achieve her goals. Do the loglines for Jaws or Toy Story explain that the irresponsible sheriff will need to learn responsibility before he can defeat the shark, or the selfish sheriff will need to learn the world doesn’t revolve around him before he can get back to his kid? I guess this is a little more general discussion about loglines, and not this one in particular, but I’m keen to hear your guys’ insight.
      I also want to avoid making the story about a woman fighting another woman to win back a man. I don’t get behind that rhetoric for the story; I’d prefer to keep it focused on a journey for the protagonist to reach the person she loves and trying to make amends for past mistakes.

      I can see that I sound very petulant above, like I’m really resistant to change, but I don’t believe in making changes to your story just because someone suggests them; they need to make sense in the world of the story and improve the story mechanics, while staying true to the original idea. I want to fine tune the logline for THIS story, not change the story, if I can avoid it. I hope at least my responses are reasonable. They’ve certainly made me solidify my position on certain elements of the story, which in and of itself is an immense help. Thanks.

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    4. andrewclau Logliner
      2013-10-11T10:45:41+10:00Added an answer on October 11, 2013 at 10:45 am

      Hey Nic, I don’t see any petulance here – you are in your right to tell the story you want to tell. The story is in your head and this process of back and forth is just a way of fleshing out the elements.

      Initially what I found confusing about your logline was the ordering of the elements. As you say you start with a protagonist, you define the goal, provide stakes and expand with an explanation as to why. Nothing wrong with this technically but my taste moves towards an approach where the inciting incident is put up front , then present the the protagonist (and flaw), define the goal and then define the stakes. This may sound a little formulaic (or maybe even spoon-feeding audiences) but I like to do this because I think this is the order in which someone listening will most quickly and easily hook into the logline, even the final screenplay or movie (unless you’re doing some funky Tarantino type thing). Tell the audience the big moment that sets the story off (informed of boyfriends intention to break up), tell the audience who the story is about (self focused haematologist) and then send them off on their journey (joining LARP and battling thousands of enemies) and if they don’t achieve what they need to what happens (forever lonely and miserable). Again, it’s just taste.

      Agreed that making the story about her winning the competition would be the wrong way to go, a misstep. I think you got the important part which is to have her turn up at the LARP and show for the first time to this soon to be ex-boyfriend that she actually cares about what he is interested in and what he enjoys. This is an internal journey goal so I wonder how to show this through the achievement of an external goal which will be visible to the boyfriend? With achievement of this goal it would be the moment where he’s “Oh you actually care about my interests, I won’t break up with you anymore.” This is probably where the haematology skills and the action of ‘battling thousands of enemies’ and sewing descent into the ‘evil’ army would come in. Leave it with you to work out a cool solution!

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    5. dpg Singularity
      2013-10-11T12:20:25+10:00Added an answer on October 11, 2013 at 12:20 pm

      nicholasandrewhalls:

      I appreciate your frustration with trying to distill the essence of your story in 25 words, give or take. And, alas, I can only respond to those few words. Loglines only skim the surface of the principal action; they cannot to plumb the underlying emotional depths, certainly ones as complex as you wish to explore.

      Now, I know the story you DON’T want to tell. Best wishes with the effort with the story you do want to tell.

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    6. Tony Edward Samurai
      2013-10-11T13:02:44+10:00Added an answer on October 11, 2013 at 1:02 pm

      Hi Nicholasandrewhalls —

      I think this has potential — but my main issue with it, I guess, is a story one — in that, I find it hard to swallow that a professional woman would go to such lengths to save a relationship with someone who is into LARPing — -not to rag on the pastime — but it has always seemed associated with…dare I say it– nerds (again — really no offence intended if this happens to be something you’re into 🙂 )… or maybe a bit adolescent — (I know adults who are into it — but I hope you see what I mean…) Thinking of a female doctor that’s prepared to go to such lengths to SAVE this relationship just doesn’t sit right with me. It could be what makes it startlingly original though… — or it could be what makes it work on another level…

      What if she enters the LARP to seek revenge upon him? They have this relationship… she’s always looked down upon the LARP world he’s into — she’s an uptight career focused Dr… he’s a jerk… she busts him cheating on her with some LARP wench — and her plan begins…? … she gets so obsessed with revenge that her career wanes, but she learns that life is for living (or something along those lines) though her conquering of the LARP.

      ‘When a career obsessed doctor catches her Live Action Role Playing obsessed boyfriend cheating on her, she secretly joins the LARP to destroy his dream of winning the national championship.’

      Bit of a mouthful — but I think there definitely needs to be a reference to LARP– using the full term in reference to the boyfriend then makes it plain as to what it means and the acronym can be used later in the logline…

      — again, don’t mean to mess with your story — but if this was my baby it would be the road I’d go down.

      Best of luck with it.

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    7. dpg Singularity
      2013-10-11T13:37:15+10:00Added an answer on October 11, 2013 at 1:37 pm

      nicholasandrewhalls:

      You raised a number of issues I wish I had the time to respond to. Suffice to say for now that I have always considered loglines to be about selling the sizzle, not the describing the steak.

      IMHO, the sizzle in your logline is not hematology, or a self-centered character, or being dumped. The sizzle — what makes your story stand out as something unique and intriguing — is the social phenomenon of LARP. It’s a phenomenon begging for some to write a script about. I hope yours is the first that gets sold and produced.

      FWIW: focus on the sizzle in the logline, the steak in the script.

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    8. dpg Singularity
      2013-10-11T13:41:43+10:00Added an answer on October 11, 2013 at 1:41 pm

      You raised a number of issues; I wish I had time to respond in full. Suffice to say for now that I have always considered loglines to be about selling the sizzle, not the describing the steak.

      IMHO, the sizzle in your logline is not hematology, nor a self-centered character, nor being dumped. The sizzle is the social phenomenon of LARP. That’s what makes your concept stand out. LARP is a social phenomenon begging for someone to write a script about. I hope yours is the first to be sold sold and produced.

      FWIW: focus on the sizzle in the logline, the steak in the script.

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