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Rutger OosterhoffLogliner
Posted: March 31, 20212021-03-31T06:27:39+10:00 2021-03-31T06:27:39+10:00In: Thriller

Three characters, three life stories, integrate as a schizophrenic detective puts together puzzle-pieces in a quest to imprison a split-serial killer posing as Hollywood’s Messiah. — WHOLE

Three characters, three life stories, integrate as a schizophrenic detective puts together puzzle-pieces in a quest to imprison a split-serial killer posing as Hollywood’s Messiah. — WHOLE
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    1. Richiev Singularity
      2021-04-01T00:28:58+10:00Added an answer on April 1, 2021 at 12:28 am

      “A schizophrenic detective puts together puzzle-pieces in a quest to discover a split-serial killer posing as Hollywood’s Messiah.”

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      • Odie Samurai
        2021-04-01T02:21:24+10:00Replied to answer on April 1, 2021 at 2:21 am

        Nice, took a stab that these three life stories were victims and changed discover to catch.
        โ€œA schizophrenic detective puts together puzzle-pieces of three victims in a quest to catch a split-serial killer posing as Hollywoodโ€™s Messiah.โ€

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        • Rutger Oosterhoff Logliner
          2021-04-01T04:33:17+10:00Replied to answer on April 1, 2021 at 4:33 am

          Thanks guys, the idea is that the ‘detective’ and the ‘serial killer’ are alter ego’s of one and the same person, and then there is a third alter ego who must pick sides. Here you literally see ‘three guy’, who the audience will see as the same guy being split living their lives; the serial killer killing; the detective looking for the killer, and the other guy having his life, having to choose sides as the three stories/alterego’s com to gether. Not as in “Angel Heart”, where we find out at the very end, but more complex. When all three alter ego’s integrate and become one complex person, the detective successfully imprisoned the srial killer, because they both are part of one complete person. Problem is this “WHOLE;” person will still be judged as a serial killer.

          This is the only short way that I could put all of this in one logline.If it is not clear, I must conclude I failed..

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          • Odie Samurai
            2021-04-01T09:33:05+10:00Replied to answer on April 1, 2021 at 9:33 am

            You did not fail, this is intriguing stuff, and โ€“ I did get a Fight Club (same guy vibe) from your logline. Since you mentioned the audience sees the same guy living three separate lives think about this angle as well.
            โ€œThe schizophrenic lives of an LAPD detective, a serial killer posing as Hollywoodโ€™s Messiah, and a [third guy e.g., referee] intertwine in three tales of [word that links all three at their worst] and [word that links all three at their conclusion].

            In this version, the detective/serial killer relationship is implied. Notice the impromptu profession I gave the third ๐Ÿ˜Š โ€“ you get the idea. Keep going.

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            • Rutger Oosterhoff Logliner
              2021-04-01T18:25:52+10:00Replied to answer on April 1, 2021 at 6:25 pm

              Thanks Odie!!

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            • Richiev Singularity
              2021-04-01T19:05:52+10:00Replied to answer on April 1, 2021 at 7:05 pm

              This of course is made more difficult because the fact they are the same person, sounds like a ‘big reveal’ which you would not want in the logline. So I like how Odie and yourself try to imply without telling.

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    2. Rutger Oosterhoff Logliner
      2021-04-01T22:24:37+10:00Added an answer on April 1, 2021 at 10:24 pm

      Odie/Richiev,

      I like your construction Odie. problem with this construction is I can’t see that the detective is hunting the serial killer.

      An other try:

      โ€œThe schizophrenic lives of an LAPD detective, a serial killer posing as Hollywoodโ€™s Messiah, and a [third guy e.g., referee] intertwine in three tales of [word that links all three at their worst] and [word that links all three at their conclusion].

      becomes

      ——
      Fighting their demons, the tales of a SCHIZOPHRENIC LAPD DETECTIVE, a SERIAL KILLER, and a JUDGE, INTERTWINE as a REAL ESTATE BROKER convinces them to buy the same Hollywood mansion.
      ——

      So in this logline I am only saying that the detective is Schizophrenic. And not saying the killer is SPLIT. Problem now is that the difference for me between SCHIZOPHRENIC and SPLIT is that with SCHIZOPHRENIC your SEE PEOPLE, with SPLIT you ARE PEOPLE.

      But if it is ok to not say any of them is SPLIT, problem solved!!

      I ONLY called the killer split so the audience at first does not know that the detective is SPLIT also, I made the detective Schizophrenic, so I can project the flashes he has (not seeing the face) of his alter ego’s, including the SERIAL KILLER, and the JUDGE, but not the BROKER — being the original WHOLE person; this because he has know memory of his life before the accident.

      Twist their is a fourth alter ego, the one that was “whole” but had a trauma that got him split. Maybe lost his parents in a car exident of his doing, driving drunk. Somehow there must be a logical connection between all. An as Richiev says, the big reveal must be close to the end or at at the very END of the movie. Maybe the audience thinks they know all, but after a few small twist we get the big twist at the very end.

      Also. The serial killer could be the only one who knows about the other alter ego’; knows he’s one part of a split person and his only option to avoid justice ‘FIGURATELY’ is KILL ALL THE OTHER EGOS. The bad guy as te ALLKNOWING EGO gives him the adventage — makes it more difficult for the detective to imprison him, after he finds out he is just one part of a split person. And that the missing peace he was looking for was the REALISATION BOTH OF THEM WERE ALTEREGOS OF THE SAME PERSON AND HE CAN ONLY IMPRISON THE KILLER IN A “WHOLE “MIND, .

      The serail killer on the other hand, when he realises he can’t beat his by far most dangerous alter ego,in just a mind game, must now materialize the mind battle into the real world — also being the world where the audience can SEE the men confronting each other. He must try to kill them in the materialised state that audience has seem the aler egos all along.

      Thats how far my brain fart goes right now…

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      • Richiev Singularity
        2021-04-02T00:34:33+10:00Replied to answer on April 2, 2021 at 12:34 am

        Have you seen the movie Angel Heart?

        Your story is very original, but there is this one little part in the conclusion of Angel Heart that might help you in ‘how’ to do a big reveal. I am not saying to copy or anything, I am just staying study the technique.

        (If you are like me you will figure the big reveal out before but they still did the ‘big reveal’ very well)

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        • Rutger Oosterhoff Logliner
          2021-04-02T01:08:45+10:00Replied to answer on April 2, 2021 at 1:08 am

          Yes, I saw it! Has been the inspiration for this logline.I get what you are saying Richiev!! Also leaning to the old logline that is close to Odie and your your less feashy loglines.

          So my last logline was:

          Fighting their demons, the tales of a SCHIZOPHRENIC LAPD DETECTIVE, a SERIAL KILLER, and a JUDGE, INTERTWINE as a REAL ESTATE BROKER convinces them to buy the same Hollywood mansion.

          But “REAL ESTATE BROKER convinces them to buy the same Hollywood mansion.” is more like a reveal at3/4 of the story; and I could imagion it belongs to the story, not the logline.

          So maybe the logline could be:

          —–
          Tales intertwine as a schizophrenic detective puts together puzzle-pieces in a quest to discover and imprison a serial killer posing as Hollywoodโ€™s Messiah. โ€” WHOLE
          ——

          So what did I do:

          (1) Geting rid of ‘how many’ tales, Keeps the suspence and give’s me space to dicover the real story.
          (2) put in “discover” instead of the normally more logic “catch”. Hey, aren’t the alter egos trying to “dicover” each other. Discover they’re all part of one “WHOLE”.
          (3) Cut “split”. As you said, the trick is to keep feeding the unknown info, bit by bit, to the audience (that’s why I used puzzle-pieces, besides complete pieces make a “WHOLE”), then using “split” is already giving to much away.

          What do you two think?

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            Odie Samurai
            2021-04-03T03:02:15+10:00Replied to answer on April 3, 2021 at 3:02 am

            A better version, thinking out loud โ€“ what about:
            1. Switching “Tales” with “Alter egos …”
            2. Playing on alter egos, instead of โ€œdiscoverโ€ what about uncover? To uncover is to reveal.
            3. Switching โ€œimprisonโ€ with lock-up โ€“ this word is more associated with emotions e.g., the negative emotion that created the “killer” alter ego.

            “Alter egos intertwine as a schizophrenic detective puts together puzzle-pieces in a quest to uncover and lock up a serial killer posing as Hollywoodโ€™s Messiahโ€.

            BTW: You owe Richiev and me a beer ๐Ÿ˜‰

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            • Rutger Oosterhoff Logliner
              2021-04-04T00:53:17+10:00Replied to answer on April 4, 2021 at 12:53 am

              Jackpot!! Harmonious perfection. I know I pushed it guys. That’s because I think we have something here. Most of my logline ideas are crap. But one in ten has potential. Worth to work out. And by working it out, you have to go deeper into the potential story. Apart from what the standard elements a good logline should attain, it also must trigger the reader’s imagination AND tell more of the story than you would expect from a short logline. So thanks again, both of you!

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          • Richiev Singularity
            2021-04-02T01:49:03+10:00Replied to answer on April 2, 2021 at 1:49 am

            I like that logline better. It is an unconventional logline, but you do have an unconventional story.

            If I think of anything that can help, I will let you know.

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    3. Rutger Oosterhoff Logliner
      2021-04-01T23:26:49+10:00Added an answer on April 1, 2021 at 11:26 pm

      …. But what if the JUDGE was the “WHOLE” person, and when he killed his (whole) family through a drunk drive accident he had to JUDGE HIMSELF, This realisation was too much for him, but he strongly felt justice still had to beserved!! That’s where he got SPLIT. That’s where he created the DETECTIVE hunting the SERIAL KILLER. Then the BROKER isn’t the “WHOLE” one as we somewhere at 3/4 of the movie think, when all meet at the possible house sale, he’s just the one who brings the PIECES of the “WHOLE MIND TOGETHER” He turns out to be the shepherd.

      So there is no INCITING INCIDENT stated. (no space in the logline) Sure it is the car eccident, or as the audience watching the movie thinks — the detective finding a murder victim….

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    4. Jessie Samurai
      2021-04-07T22:01:57+10:00Added an answer on April 7, 2021 at 10:01 pm

      A big question.
      Is your character suffering from multiple personality disorder only or also from schizophrenia?
      Schizophrenia, although it translates to split mind, is a very different disease!
      Please google. Using the wrong term here is a classic mistake.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

      I think you are looking for MPD.

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      • Jessie Samurai
        2021-04-08T00:14:58+10:00Replied to answer on April 8, 2021 at 12:14 am

        Sorry, in case that that this already covered.
        Mpd and schizophrenia, thatโ€™d be quite the hammer challenge for your mc ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ™‚

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      • Rutger Oosterhoff Logliner
        2021-04-08T18:39:37+10:00Replied to answer on April 8, 2021 at 6:39 pm

        Very good question Jessie. First I thought MPD (split) is you ARE people, and you see people. Then I read a wiki page that said S=MPD, but people link Story hearing voice and literally seing people. Still confuced. Going to read my Wiki (agai) and yours. What do you think?

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        • Jessie Samurai
          2021-04-09T16:54:05+10:00Replied to answer on April 9, 2021 at 4:54 pm

          Seems to me, that you mc has two conditions . The MPD and the schiz. Could the schiz be caused by the mod? Maybe. I think MPD is at this stage somewhat theoretical. You may have some freedom in how to interpret it. Eg. your mc remembering flashes from one of his alters. Then he thinks heโ€™s developing schizophrenia…. ๐Ÿค”
          Is that what you were going for?

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          • Rutger Oosterhoff Logliner
            2021-04-09T21:54:18+10:00Replied to answer on April 9, 2021 at 9:54 pm

            I was going for both. See my original logline we are discussing here. I did some extra research. You can’t be Schiz.and MPD (these days called DID) at the same time . It is one or the other The main condition of the lead and its alter ego’s of course is MPD (split). But he also has symptoms you see in both mental conditions. And that is possible. Here I want to use forgetfulness, sleeplessness, and being confused. Interesting is that even the “host” Character doesn’t know that there are other alter egos. I think I make the “host” character the person standing in between the detective and the killer, But only the killer knows, or maybe feels there are other alter egos like him, and one of them is the detective. Also interesting is that it can take minutes, hours OR days before there is a switch from one alter ego to another, Of course, I will use ‘days’. Being the only way of setting up three characters=ater egos having their own lives apart from each other, all the (or more) living in their own neighborhood, different house.

            It could feel like the MPD is somewhat theoretical because the alter egos (except the killer) do not know that there are OTHER alter egos. What all three (maybe more) alter egos do know about themselves is that they feel confused, have memory loss and always feel tired.

            About the “flashes”. Yes that is part of the style that should be used. All have flashes. And yes focussing on the lead, being the detective, he becomes more spooked and unsure along the way because of his “flashes”, but those “flashes” of course are puzzle peaces much needed to completing the puzzle.

            Thanks, man, Richiev, Odie, and you helped me a lot.

            So because MPD almost always caused by a trauma in early childhood, causing it by a car accident where he drives and loses his parent is not possible. What is possible is him distracting his father when he drives being the reason for the fatal exident.

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            • Jessie Samurai
              2021-04-13T00:58:08+10:00Replied to answer on April 13, 2021 at 12:58 am

              Uhum. Sound like it fits. And because some symptoms are similar, as you mentioned, I can see him thinking Schizophrenia until he learns more. Cool!

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