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Gunns
Posted: April 10, 20152015-04-10T00:45:30+10:00 2015-04-10T00:45:30+10:00In: Public

Two farmers in Iceland are framed by the Sheriff and sent to Denmark to slave in chains for the rest of their life. The younger one returns after 20 years to realize he has a son and wants revenge.

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    1. Richiev Singularity
      2015-04-10T00:58:39+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 12:58 am

      To me, you have described the set-up of the story, but not the story itself. The story would be the revenge, the events that occurred twenty years ago are the set-up

      Also, the story seems to be about one farmer, since he is the one getting revenge. it’s his story.

      hope that helped, good luck with this!

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    2. Gunns
      2015-04-10T01:02:26+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 1:02 am

      The accusation, the prison sentence and the consequence is the set-up – the revenge is the showdown.

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    3. dpg Singularity
      2015-04-10T01:33:09+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 1:33 am

      What is the historical time frame? And framed for what?

      After twenty years of cruel labor in a Danish prison for a [murder?] he didn’t commit, an Icelandic farmer escapes and returns to Iceland for revenge against his false accusers.

      While the discovery that he has a son is an important embellishment to the story, it’s not essential to the logline. The logline should focus on the plot, which distilled to its essence is: a man who has been wronged seeks revenge.

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    4. Gunns
      2015-04-10T02:47:34+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 2:47 am

      Thanks dpg for your input. The historical time is the 16th century. If you were caught as a thieve in that period resulted in chains for life. The authorities did this to gain your land and stock.
      Your right about the short version – but it is then no different than 1000 of screenplays.

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    5. Rutger Oosterhoff Logliner
      2015-04-10T03:19:13+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 3:19 am

      I just remembered: The Count of Monte Cristo!! Give me the same thing only different. As you said:The accusation, the prison sentence and the consequence is the set-up ? the revenge is the showdown. And this guy isn’t even rich, so the stakes are much higher! But, but, butttt – don’t start the second act’ too’ late; Blake Snyder calls this “laying -to much- pipe”. The setup should not be longer than max 15 pages! The ‘pipe’ at The Count of Monte Cristo in the newest movie version seems to be 59,5 minutes; much longer ( if one minute is 1 script page) than 15 script pages, and the writer didn’t even got imprisoned.. But, but, buttt – you could argue that the premise of this movie ended much earlier; namely when the mean character gets sentenced, occurring in the movie at 25,25 minutes. Yes, that’s still too late but much earlier in the movie.

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    6. dpg Singularity
      2015-04-10T03:21:01+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 3:21 am

      Well, there’s the setting: Iceland. And the time period: the 16th century. Those 2 elements render the screenplay a lot different than 1000’s of others. So I suggest including the historical time frame as an element in the logline.

      What constitutes the bulk of your story? Is most of the story about what happens after he gets back to Iceland, how he settles scores?

      Or is most of the story about his desperate struggle to survive in a barbaric prison, the harrowing escape, the daunting obstacles to getting back to Iceland? (The latter would be more interesting to me. And if that is, indeed, the bulk of the story, then I suggest the logline be refocused on that aspect.)

      Told in a book, like the Count of Monte Cristo, the story has the luxury of being able to give equal weight and space to both aspects, to all chapters in what would constitute a saga. Ditto as a miniseries. But the time constraints and dramatic conventions of a feature film entail focusing on one aspect. A tough choice, but…

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    7. Gunns
      2015-04-10T04:13:05+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 4:13 am

      The bulk of the story is the suffering and surviving of the main character and then the embarrassment and the conviction of the accuser doing wrong but thinking of doing right. It is also about his girlfriend getting accused by blood shame by having his child out of wedlock and not telling who is the father. So when he is being punished for things he didn’t do he watches his sweetheart and mother of his child being executed. Then sent abroad for life. But doing well and surviving he gets the attention of an officer who takes pity on him and gets him a pardon. But he is filled with thoughts made in 20 years of revenge. The showdown is 20 pages and we’ll just have to see the movie to know what happens…. 🙂 But the logline – I just can’t get it under 30 words with out making it just like so many others….. But that’s me 🙂

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    8. dpg Singularity
      2015-04-10T05:44:36+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 5:44 am

      What was the crime for which the farmer was framed?

      >> he watches his sweetheart and mother of his child being executed

      That’s a very compelling story beat. But it raises the question: what is his primary motivation for coming back: to avenge her death or exonerate himself from the false accusation?

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    9. Gunns
      2015-04-10T06:29:47+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 6:29 am

      The crime was stealing fish hooks and fishing string (which was enough)
      His motivation is revenge and getting his farm back – but returning he’s evidently gone mad….. so he try’s to get the facts right for his son.

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    10. dpg Singularity
      2015-04-10T06:36:02+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 6:36 am

      Gunn:

      Clarification, please: was he sent into exile for life but not to prison for life? Or both? (Big difference)

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    11. Gunns
      2015-04-10T07:23:30+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 7:23 am

      He was sent for prison for life – no one ever came back from the “slave yard” in Copenhagen

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    12. dpg Singularity
      2015-04-10T08:35:59+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 8:35 am

      Well, then, how about:

      Twenty years after being forced to watch his lover’s execution and then sentenced for life to prison for a crime he didn’t commit, a farmer in 16th century Iceland returns to avenge her death and exonerate his name.

      I don’t mention that he’s shipped off to Denmark because I think the execution conveys a more powerful emotional punch. In fact, I suggest this version has a one-two-three emotional punch: he 1] witnesses the execution of his lover; 2] gets a life sentence; 3] for a crime he didn’t commit.

      Logline legalists will, no doubt, throw a red flag on my play for giving the protagonist a dual objective goal. Although a dues paying legalist myself, I believe there are (rare) exceptions to every rule. I think an exception is warranted, certainly permissible, in this case.

      Ditto with the 30 word maximum. That’s certainly the ideal and close to the statistical average. But, again, there are rare exceptions, justifiable outliers to the statistical average. For me, the redline for length is 40 words. I haven’t met a verbose logline yet that couldn’t be boiled down to 40 words or less.

      This one comes in at 38 words.

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    13. Gunns
      2015-04-10T08:59:04+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 8:59 am

      That’s just great ! – And I could shave 2 words off by taking “Twenty years” – then It’s down to 36. And I agree – some things just can’t be boiled down when the ingredient is complex has many alternatives.
      Thanks !

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    14. Rutger Oosterhoff Logliner
      2015-04-10T10:06:16+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 10:06 am

      A minor. The logline doesn’t tell he escaped; the first thing I would ask myself is “how? can someone who is imprisoned ‘for live’ (in the old days) return back home.

      And does the logline without any doubt tell us ‘where’ he returns without using the word “home”.

      ‘After being forced to watch his lover?s execution and( then) sentenced for life in prison for a crime he didn?t commit,, a farmer in 16th century Iceland escapes and returns home to avenge her death and exonerate his name.”

      Maybe there is a shorter way to say “sentenced for life in prison”? Don’t know…

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    15. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2015-04-10T11:27:37+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 11:27 am

      Good setting and great stakes but a few structural problems though.

      “His motivation is revenge and getting his farm back?” = two goals.

      “The bulk of the story is the suffering and surviving of the main character and then the embarrassment and the conviction of the accuser doing wrong?” = two act 2.

      As there is an insistence on doubling up on the goals and main actions the MC will take in act 2, this reads to me more like a series than a film.

      The forward motion drive that comes from a singularity is more powerful than that of a double goal in a film (did any one say legalist??). Most producers would be attracted to the power of such a pitch for a film.
      However in a series you can have multiple goals and justify this by allowing the motivations to compound each other and subsequently grow as each goal is clarified over a longer period of screen time.

      I suggest you re consider the format and structure this concept into a series it would have a greater likelihood of being picked up.

      Hope this helps.

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    16. dpg Singularity
      2015-04-10T12:48:38+10:00Added an answer on April 10, 2015 at 12:48 pm

      Agree with Nir Shelter that if the concept is for a feature film, than the focus may need to be narrowed, the narrative tightened. As I currently understand the concept, it seems to lend itself more to a series.

      In any event, I think it’s a viable concept. May the odds be in your favor.

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    17. Gunns
      2015-04-11T03:54:52+10:00Added an answer on April 11, 2015 at 3:54 am

      Thanks dpg and Nir as well as Rudger. I’m glad you see more than just the potential of the story to be a feature. A series is of course much more prestige. But the feature would of course make my day.

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