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Posted: February 18, 20172017-02-18T11:10:21+10:00 2017-02-18T11:10:21+10:00In: Drama

When a young ward of the state is fostered to a crazy family planning a heist, he sets out to find his real father before being forced to engage in criminal activities that will see him back in juvenile prison.

When a young ward of the state is fostered to a crazy family planning a heist, he sets out to find his real father before being forced to engage in criminal activities that will see him back in juvenile prison.
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    1. Best Answer
      benny Logliner
      2017-02-18T11:14:23+10:00Added an answer on February 18, 2017 at 11:14 am

      I don’t like the word ‘young’ now that I’ve re-read it, as ‘Wards Of The State’ are always assumed to be young. I will however change this to add in his flaw after reviewing some feedback. I assume it’s recommended to re-post in the same thread for easier reviewing, correct me if I’m wrong?

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      Richiev Singularity
      2017-02-18T18:52:06+10:00Added an answer on February 18, 2017 at 6:52 pm

      “When he is fostered to a crazy family planning a heist. a young ward of the state must find his real father or be forced to engage in criminal activities that will send him back to juvenile detention.”

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      CraigDGriffiths Uberwriter
      2017-02-18T20:04:16+10:00Added an answer on February 18, 2017 at 8:04 pm

      Copy thin it even more, leaving room for some motivation.

      When he is fostered to a crazy family planning a heist. a teen trying to turn his life around must find his real father or be forced to engage in criminal activities that will send him back to juvenile detention.?

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      dpg Singularity
      2017-02-19T00:12:59+10:00Added an answer on February 19, 2017 at 12:12 am

      I would refocus the logline around the immediate and ?central objective problem that drives the story, the heist. ?The inciting incident is the foster kid’s discovery of the plan. ? Is there a sense of urgency, a ticking clock, limited time to do something about it? ?And what?

      Why doesn’t he just go to the cops, tip them off? ? Or simply run away, have himself get caught by the cops and be returned to the safety of the state ward, ?farmed out to someone else? ?I mean, there just seems to be so many other solutions to his problem of not being involved in the heist — and faster — than searching for his father.

      And, if the foster parents are going to use him for the heist, wouldn’t they keep him under control, confine him to the premises? ? How is he going to be able to search for his father when they won’t let him out of their sight? ? And while it’s plausible he could stumble upon the heist, why would the foster parents trust him — an outsider to the family — to be a reliable accessory ?to their heist, even under coercion?

      I think there’s a potentially good story here, but the concept needs polishing.

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      Fma Samurai
      2017-02-19T07:50:11+10:00Added an answer on February 19, 2017 at 7:50 am

      When a reformed young man?freed on his?18th birthday from a violent juvenile facility ?is forced by his overbearing foster family to?take part?in a lucrative heist, he?must?escape his psychotic foster father and find his real dad or face going to adult?prison

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      Neer Shelter Singularity
      2017-02-19T11:24:48+10:00Added an answer on February 19, 2017 at 11:24 am

      Agreed with DPG, the basic logic of the premise doesn’t work.

      I believe the only way to get around the logic flaw is to associate an emotional connection via a stakes character. What if his real father is a criminal who has decided to quit crime? The foster family know this and decide to use the kid as leverage to force the father to break into a vault. Now the kid is compelled to stay involved as he wants to help his dad.

      Here is my attempt:
      After his foster family of crooks plan to force his real father to do one last a heist, a teenager must aid them in an attempt to save his father from being caught and thrown in jail.

      Not the best but get’s the emotional angle in.

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      benny Logliner
      2017-02-19T14:02:29+10:00Added an answer on February 19, 2017 at 2:02 pm

      LOGLINE REVIEW:
      When a ward of the state is fostered out to a family of crooks who claim to know where his real father is, he?s blackmailed into assisting them with a heist at the risk of going back to juvenile prison.

      Thank you for all your valuable feedback. The sense of urgency is there now as the MC will have to conduct a heist on his own to get the information he wants/needs about his fathers whereabouts. Why is this kid so eager to find his father? His simple need to love and to be loved. Here’s a kid who’s practically grown up in the Australian welfare system and is over being told by total strangers, under qualified social workers and councilors who he should be and how he should live his life. He’ll now do anything and risk everything to find the one thing he hopes will change his life for the better, to find his father.
      I do remember my last logline, dpg you asked me what my MC’s “special sauce” was. Perhaps that’s something I need to add into this already jam packed logline. I dont wish to make the same mistake as last time by getting 3/4 of the way into a feature script only to realise my story and MC were flat and not going to work as it stood. I want to get this concept right before pen goes to paper on this one. Nir shelter thanks for the alternate idea about his father but I wanted to keep the father out until 3rd act so it would be MC’s continual drive to find him. And if anyone’s wondering where the mother is in this story she’s dead. I look forward to hearing reviews on the newer version. Loving the direct feedback here.

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      dpg Singularity
      2017-02-20T08:02:39+10:00Added an answer on February 20, 2017 at 8:02 am

      Benny:

      Parsing your revised version still leaves questions in my mind. ?As written, it seems to say that his objective goal is to go along with the heist so he can find his father. ?Is that what you intend to mean by saying he will ? “do anything and risk everything”? Or is his objective goal to find his father before ?(ticking clock) the heist takes place?

      And if it is the latter, I’m still having trouble believing the crooked foster family would let him out of their sight, let him go look for his father. ?Because if they let him search and he succeeds, there goes the leverage they have over him. ?(Another reason they wouldn’t let him out of their sight would be for fear he’d snitch to the police.)

      Please clarify.

      Also, now that I know that the story is set in Australia, is the kid European or Aboriginal? ?It occurs to me that if he were the latter and the foster family is the former, it might intensify his sense of alienation and isolation and strengthen his motivation to find his father as well as reconnect with his ethnic roots. ? However, I don’t know if the?current policy is to?allow the placement Aboriginal orphans with non-Aboriginal families. ?(I do know that in the United States, the general policy is now to make every effort to place Native American orphans with a family of their tribe. ?Or at least their ethnic kind.)

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      dpg Singularity
      2017-02-20T09:53:21+10:00Added an answer on February 20, 2017 at 9:53 am

      Not that it needs to be in the logline, but what do they have on him that they can use as blackmail to force him to participate in the heist?

      If he doesn’t comply, he goes back to prison. If he complies, he still risks going back to prison if they’re caught. ?So either way, the possibility of prison hangs over him like the sword of Damocles. ?That’s not a bad thing, dramatically. ?I just want to understand that ?the choices he faces are prison as a certainty versus prison as a possibility.

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      benny Logliner
      2017-02-20T11:24:06+10:00Added an answer on February 20, 2017 at 11:24 am

      Sorry dpg I missed the final paragraph of your previous reply.
      I hadn’t honestly thought to have my MC as indigenous Australian but I am now.
      Our policy is very similar to that of the Native American orphans. In most states there is an ‘aboriginal child placement principal’ which prioritises placement through several tiers before the possibility of being placed with a white family.? Usually begins with family of origin, family from community, carers who identify as aboriginal then white folks.

      So it is possible to foster out an indigenous kid to a white family and I think it would definitely give the strength of connection to find his father and his own identity.

      Also I do note what you’re saying about them not letting him out of their sight. Perhaps they simply threaten to lie to the authorities about the kid which will see him ‘breach his bail conditions’ and sent back inside.? And perhaps searching for his father only gets delayed and pushed aside while he deals with the dilemma in his new white foster home.

      I will go away and think some more and try connect a better logline/story. Thanks so much for your deep thought and insight into this logline. To everyone else as well.

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      Neer Shelter Singularity
      2017-02-20T13:56:06+10:00Added an answer on February 20, 2017 at 1:56 pm

      Hi Benny,

      I don’t think him simply wanting to find out the identity of his father is enough. It seems like a melodramatic need instead of a dramatic one. For it to work, I dare say, you will need to expand a lot of script on exposition and backstory explaining why, for this one particular boy, his father’s identity means so much as to become a story worthy goal.

      Is there a different goal relating to the father you could use instead?

      Just a thought, but what if he had a sister and she needs a life-saving kidney or bone marrow donation. The authoratise have it on file that the father is the only one capable of providing them with the necessary tissue, now the boy has a dramatic need he MUST fulfill or else he will lose the only other person he cares about.

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      dpg Singularity
      2017-02-21T00:19:11+10:00Added an answer on February 21, 2017 at 12:19 am

      As I understand it, then, the dramatic question of the plot — and the should be only one dramatic question, not 2 or 3 — the dramatic question is: ?will the kid successfully fulfill his role in the heist? ?(The dramatic question pertains to the main action of the 2nd Act. ?The answer to that question is finally given in the 3rd Act.) ?That is the principle story you wish to tell.

      Now within that story, the boy’s expectation is that if he does as he’s told, his foster parent will tell him where he can find his father. ?That’s the “carrot” being used to motivate compliance. ?The “stick” is the threat of a return to juvenile incarceration. ?And it’s beyond his control as to whether the foster parent will live up to his end of the bargain. ?So it’s an important 3rd Act element but it’s not part of the dramatic question because the dramatic question is about the protagonist’s role in the plot, what is within his power to do.

      >>>I guess I always thought writing about indigenous issues when being non indigenous is risky due to the sensitivity of the subject and current issues.

      Yep. ?It’s a not so leisurely stroll through a mine field. ?But the upside is that, imho, it affords an opportunity for a more dramatically interesting story.

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      Neer Shelter Singularity
      2017-02-21T10:31:16+10:00Added an answer on February 21, 2017 at 10:31 am

      The freedom to express one’s thoughts is a fundamental building block of modern society, therefore segregating the ability to write about certain subjects and characters as privileges belonging to only one particular culture and not another is wrong.? In other words, anyone can write any story – that’s the beauty of story.

      I urge you to explore any subject matter, theme or culture as long as it is a story necessity. However, for greater authenticaty, you would need to do your research and consult with individuals of a particular culture you’re writing about.

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      benny Logliner
      2017-02-28T14:51:37+10:00Added an answer on February 28, 2017 at 2:51 pm

      Reviewed logline:

      An indigenous state ward is released from Juvenile prison and fostered to a reputable white family, who threaten to lie to his parole officer and get him incarcerated unless he helps them with a heist.

      I assume I re-post in this thread if I make changes to the logline for review. If not could someone please correct me otherwise if I get no response I’ll put back up on the main board.

      I have made some changes due to a little rethink and thanks to the feedback given in this thread. Please be as brutal as necessary.

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