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Neer ShelterSingularity
Posted: August 9, 20142014-08-09T20:28:28+10:00 2014-08-09T20:28:28+10:00In: Public

When an unorthodox AFP detective, with a confrontational personality, uncovers an operation of a Mexican drug cartel in Australia. He must now stop a one ton inbound shipment of heroin with the help of an uptight FBI agent after the same gang.

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    1. dpg Singularity
      2014-08-11T12:50:46+10:00Added an answer on August 11, 2014 at 12:50 pm

      The premise strains credibility. For example, the American counterpart wouldn’t be an FBI agent but rather a DEA agent. Also, heroin trafficing into Australia is more likely to be handled and controlled by Vietnamese, Middle Eastern, Tamil or Chinese nationals — not Mexicans.

      And the Americans have more than enough work on their hands trying to interdict drug smuggling by the Mexican cartels on their own border. What are the stakes, why would they be concerned about and meddle in drug trafficing in another country, in another hemisphere over 7,000 miles away?

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    2. dpg Singularity
      2014-08-11T12:50:46+10:00Added an answer on August 11, 2014 at 12:50 pm

      The premise strains credibility. For example, the American counterpart wouldn’t be an FBI agent but rather a DEA agent. Also, heroin trafficing into Australia is more likely to be handled and controlled by Vietnamese, Middle Eastern, Tamil or Chinese nationals — not Mexicans.

      And the Americans have more than enough work on their hands trying to interdict drug smuggling by the Mexican cartels on their own border. What are the stakes, why would they be concerned about and meddle in drug trafficing in another country, in another hemisphere over 7,000 miles away?

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    3. Nicholas Andrew Halls Samurai
      2014-08-11T20:38:22+10:00Added an answer on August 11, 2014 at 8:38 pm

      I hadn’t seen those issues dpg has pointed out until he stated them, but I tend to agree with him. Most glaring for me is the issue of stakes; aside from it being his job, how does it get personal for the protag?

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    4. Nicholas Andrew Halls Samurai
      2014-08-11T20:38:22+10:00Added an answer on August 11, 2014 at 8:38 pm

      I hadn’t seen those issues dpg has pointed out until he stated them, but I tend to agree with him. Most glaring for me is the issue of stakes; aside from it being his job, how does it get personal for the protag?

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    5. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2014-08-12T00:02:21+10:00Added an answer on August 12, 2014 at 12:02 am

      True about the drug cartel’s ethnicity being miss placed, however, I did read that Mexican cartels are in fact trafficking cocaine to Oz not sure about the amounts or frequencies when compared to Asian ones. In my mind it was a small leap from one drug to the next and if anything more of an alarming event for local police to discover a new illegal organization on their soil.

      As for the FBI v DEA the FBI deal with drugs as well and to that matter also collaborate with other countries whereas the DEA deals with drugs in the US not outside.

      Reason for the FBI agent to get involved was he is tracking the same organization that smuggles drugs into the US. If he is able to catch them in Australia that would weaken them and help him stop them on his home ground.

      Changing Mexican to Asian is a technicality so thanks for pointing it out. Not sure if this is a good plot device am trying to contrast an FBI agent with an ausie cop.
      Also it isn’t personal for the protagonist should it be necessarily in a buddy cop logline?

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    6. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2014-08-12T00:02:21+10:00Added an answer on August 12, 2014 at 12:02 am

      True about the drug cartel’s ethnicity being miss placed, however, I did read that Mexican cartels are in fact trafficking cocaine to Oz not sure about the amounts or frequencies when compared to Asian ones. In my mind it was a small leap from one drug to the next and if anything more of an alarming event for local police to discover a new illegal organization on their soil.

      As for the FBI v DEA the FBI deal with drugs as well and to that matter also collaborate with other countries whereas the DEA deals with drugs in the US not outside.

      Reason for the FBI agent to get involved was he is tracking the same organization that smuggles drugs into the US. If he is able to catch them in Australia that would weaken them and help him stop them on his home ground.

      Changing Mexican to Asian is a technicality so thanks for pointing it out. Not sure if this is a good plot device am trying to contrast an FBI agent with an ausie cop.
      Also it isn’t personal for the protagonist should it be necessarily in a buddy cop logline?

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    7. dpg Singularity
      2014-08-12T01:29:18+10:00Added an answer on August 12, 2014 at 1:29 am

      >>> In my mind it was a small leap from one drug.

      Except it isn’t. The Mexican cartels might traffic in cocaine to Australia [although I suspect the Colombian’s might do it directly themselves] because cocaine is grown in South America. So it’s a ‘local’ product. But your logline says heroin which is not ‘local’; the Mexicans have to import it from the Middle East like everyone else. And the shorter-cheaper-faster-less hazardous route to traffic heroin to Australia is via Southeast Asia.

      >>> the DEA deals with drugs in the US not outside.

      Ditto with the FBI. US law enforcement agencies do collaborate with other countries in terms of exchanging information, but the job of US law enforcement agencies is to worry about trafficing into the US – not into Australia.

      On the other hand, if your FBI guy is a rogue agent, if he has gone off the reservation for some personal reason, a personal vendetta, if he his acting outside the bounds of his authorized jurisdiction — okay. But then, that makes him a more interesting character than the Australian home boy.

      Quibbling aside, a logline should boil down to 30 words or less. The necessary characters to include are the protagonist and the antagonist. Who the protagonist gets as an ally may be central to the story, but it is a not usually a necessary detail in a logline

      A necessary detail in a logline is the antagonist. Which is missing here. The logline identifies a “drug gang”, an antagonist group — but not an antagonist individual, the mastermind, the leader who serves as the “face” of the gang for the purposes of the audience.

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    8. dpg Singularity
      2014-08-12T01:29:18+10:00Added an answer on August 12, 2014 at 1:29 am

      >>> In my mind it was a small leap from one drug.

      Except it isn’t. The Mexican cartels might traffic in cocaine to Australia [although I suspect the Colombian’s might do it directly themselves] because cocaine is grown in South America. So it’s a ‘local’ product. But your logline says heroin which is not ‘local’; the Mexicans have to import it from the Middle East like everyone else. And the shorter-cheaper-faster-less hazardous route to traffic heroin to Australia is via Southeast Asia.

      >>> the DEA deals with drugs in the US not outside.

      Ditto with the FBI. US law enforcement agencies do collaborate with other countries in terms of exchanging information, but the job of US law enforcement agencies is to worry about trafficing into the US – not into Australia.

      On the other hand, if your FBI guy is a rogue agent, if he has gone off the reservation for some personal reason, a personal vendetta, if he his acting outside the bounds of his authorized jurisdiction — okay. But then, that makes him a more interesting character than the Australian home boy.

      Quibbling aside, a logline should boil down to 30 words or less. The necessary characters to include are the protagonist and the antagonist. Who the protagonist gets as an ally may be central to the story, but it is a not usually a necessary detail in a logline

      A necessary detail in a logline is the antagonist. Which is missing here. The logline identifies a “drug gang”, an antagonist group — but not an antagonist individual, the mastermind, the leader who serves as the “face” of the gang for the purposes of the audience.

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    9. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2014-08-12T21:12:35+10:00Added an answer on August 12, 2014 at 9:12 pm

      Good point about the nationality of the Antagonist so have changed the details to justify the involvement of a US agent:

      When an unorthodox AFP detective, with a confrontational personality, is assigned to catch the head of a Mexican drug cartel that escaped the authorities in America to live in Australia. He is forced to collaborate with an uptight FBI agent sent to catch the same man.

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    10. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2014-08-12T21:12:35+10:00Added an answer on August 12, 2014 at 9:12 pm

      Good point about the nationality of the Antagonist so have changed the details to justify the involvement of a US agent:

      When an unorthodox AFP detective, with a confrontational personality, is assigned to catch the head of a Mexican drug cartel that escaped the authorities in America to live in Australia. He is forced to collaborate with an uptight FBI agent sent to catch the same man.

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    11. dpg Singularity
      2014-08-13T01:15:55+10:00Added an answer on August 13, 2014 at 1:15 am

      The re-write provides a better motivation for the Mexican and the FBI agent to be in Australia. The hook for me in the concept would be the Mexican hombre hiding out in Australia. That’s different — but not implausible.

      How about something like:

      An unorthodox AFP detective must collaborate with an abrasive FBI agent to catch the notorious head of the most violent Mexican cartel who is hiding out in Australia.

      (Maybe use other adjectives to describe them — but, ideally, only 1 adjective per character.)

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    12. dpg Singularity
      2014-08-13T01:15:55+10:00Added an answer on August 13, 2014 at 1:15 am

      The re-write provides a better motivation for the Mexican and the FBI agent to be in Australia. The hook for me in the concept would be the Mexican hombre hiding out in Australia. That’s different — but not implausible.

      How about something like:

      An unorthodox AFP detective must collaborate with an abrasive FBI agent to catch the notorious head of the most violent Mexican cartel who is hiding out in Australia.

      (Maybe use other adjectives to describe them — but, ideally, only 1 adjective per character.)

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    13. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2014-08-13T09:25:13+10:00Added an answer on August 13, 2014 at 9:25 am

      That really leaned up the logline thanks for that.

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    14. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2014-08-13T09:25:13+10:00Added an answer on August 13, 2014 at 9:25 am

      That really leaned up the logline thanks for that.

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    15. Fma Samurai
      2017-02-19T14:44:57+10:00Added an answer on February 19, 2017 at 2:44 pm

      ?

      When an unorthodox?detective from Perth’s ?confrontational personality?lands him in?a drunken brawl with a bunch of Mexican drug cartel members,?he pulls his gun and is tipped on a? scheme involving?a??one ton inbound?shipment of heroin .? Now he must?work with an uptight FBI agent who happens to be his one night stand to?stop them.

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