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Paul ClarkeSamurai
Posted: February 15, 20152015-02-15T15:44:57+10:00 2015-02-15T15:44:57+10:00In: Public

A lazy but gifted high-school kid blackmails his adulterous parents and uses the money to start his own business, in an attempt to woo the girl of his dreams.

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    1. dpg Singularity
      2015-02-19T09:01:24+10:00Added an answer on February 19, 2015 at 9:01 am

      >>his growth is to stop being lazy

      A negative. How can it be framed as positive, proactive? What’s the flip side of that negativity?

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    2. dpg Singularity
      2015-02-19T09:01:24+10:00Added an answer on February 19, 2015 at 9:01 am

      >>his growth is to stop being lazy

      A negative. How can it be framed as positive, proactive? What’s the flip side of that negativity?

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    3. Paul Clarke Samurai
      2015-02-19T00:28:59+10:00Added an answer on February 19, 2015 at 12:28 am

      Thanks Craig. Evil Ferris Bueller, I never thought of it like that but it’s perfect. Although Ferris was pretty evil in his own right.

      Definitely a comedy (or at least dramedy). I think his growth is to stop being lazy, but that’s hard to include outside of saying he is lazy. I will try to reword it maybe.

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    4. Paul Clarke Samurai
      2015-02-19T00:28:59+10:00Added an answer on February 19, 2015 at 12:28 am

      Thanks Craig. Evil Ferris Bueller, I never thought of it like that but it’s perfect. Although Ferris was pretty evil in his own right.

      Definitely a comedy (or at least dramedy). I think his growth is to stop being lazy, but that’s hard to include outside of saying he is lazy. I will try to reword it maybe.

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    5. Paul Clarke Samurai
      2015-02-19T00:24:16+10:00Added an answer on February 19, 2015 at 12:24 am

      You guys are both right. Because in reality the girl plays a minor part, it’s just adding her gives the story some direction.

      In reality he NEEDS to stop being lazy and use his talents to do something with his life. He decides to start his own business, but needs start-up money.

      The inciting incident is discovering his parents cheating. So he decides to use this to get that money (after asking them normally).

      His goal is really to start his own business and make money, but that seems like a vague goal to put in a logline. So to say he’s doing it to impress a girl seems to add an endpoint. The reality of it is that it changes vastly during the movie, but that can’t all be included in the logline.

      Do you guys think I should focus on the starting a business, rather than the girl?

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    6. Paul Clarke Samurai
      2015-02-19T00:24:16+10:00Added an answer on February 19, 2015 at 12:24 am

      You guys are both right. Because in reality the girl plays a minor part, it’s just adding her gives the story some direction.

      In reality he NEEDS to stop being lazy and use his talents to do something with his life. He decides to start his own business, but needs start-up money.

      The inciting incident is discovering his parents cheating. So he decides to use this to get that money (after asking them normally).

      His goal is really to start his own business and make money, but that seems like a vague goal to put in a logline. So to say he’s doing it to impress a girl seems to add an endpoint. The reality of it is that it changes vastly during the movie, but that can’t all be included in the logline.

      Do you guys think I should focus on the starting a business, rather than the girl?

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    7. CraigDGriffiths Uberwriter
      2015-02-16T11:10:13+10:00Added an answer on February 16, 2015 at 11:10 am

      Hi Paul,

      I felt a comedy when I read it. If it is about his growth as a person, hint at that. Let the reader know the landzone (so to speak). You want your one-page and the logline to link. Your treatment should look like it has grown from your logline.

      My mind when straight to an evil Ferris Bueller. Good luck.

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    8. CraigDGriffiths Uberwriter
      2015-02-16T11:10:13+10:00Added an answer on February 16, 2015 at 11:10 am

      Hi Paul,

      I felt a comedy when I read it. If it is about his growth as a person, hint at that. Let the reader know the landzone (so to speak). You want your one-page and the logline to link. Your treatment should look like it has grown from your logline.

      My mind when straight to an evil Ferris Bueller. Good luck.

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    9. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2015-02-16T10:39:24+10:00Added an answer on February 16, 2015 at 10:39 am

      “It?s more about him getting off his ass and doing something that makes him a better person.”

      Blackmailing his parents (regardless their sex lives which are none of his business) and prioritising material goods over personality and self worth is not making him a better person in my opinion.

      Perhaps you have a change of approach built into act 2 in which he realises he doesn’t need money to find love. But as it reads now he is as selfish and superficial as the other characters in the story and this will hinder the audiences empathy to the MC, even with a save the cat moment, which will be a problem.

      Can you describe his inner journey goal in the logline? Does he learn to value love and not money at some point? If so would be worth while mentioning this in the log line.

      As boy meets girl this is a good concept because it is not a typical boy meets girl fall in love and the obstacle keeping them apart is one of many tropes used already. The MC has to do something rather drastic to get the girl the closest I can think of in that sense is ‘Coming To America’.

      Not sure if this is a comedy or drama but it does have original elements in it either way.

      Hope this helps.

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    10. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2015-02-16T10:39:24+10:00Added an answer on February 16, 2015 at 10:39 am

      “It?s more about him getting off his ass and doing something that makes him a better person.”

      Blackmailing his parents (regardless their sex lives which are none of his business) and prioritising material goods over personality and self worth is not making him a better person in my opinion.

      Perhaps you have a change of approach built into act 2 in which he realises he doesn’t need money to find love. But as it reads now he is as selfish and superficial as the other characters in the story and this will hinder the audiences empathy to the MC, even with a save the cat moment, which will be a problem.

      Can you describe his inner journey goal in the logline? Does he learn to value love and not money at some point? If so would be worth while mentioning this in the log line.

      As boy meets girl this is a good concept because it is not a typical boy meets girl fall in love and the obstacle keeping them apart is one of many tropes used already. The MC has to do something rather drastic to get the girl the closest I can think of in that sense is ‘Coming To America’.

      Not sure if this is a comedy or drama but it does have original elements in it either way.

      Hope this helps.

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    11. dpg Singularity
      2015-02-16T04:30:28+10:00Added an answer on February 16, 2015 at 4:30 am

      As Richiev said.

      >>Also he doesn?t need to blackmail his parents

      Then what does he NEED? He WANTS the girl, but…

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    12. dpg Singularity
      2015-02-16T04:30:28+10:00Added an answer on February 16, 2015 at 4:30 am

      As Richiev said.

      >>Also he doesn?t need to blackmail his parents

      Then what does he NEED? He WANTS the girl, but…

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    13. Richiev Singularity
      2015-02-16T03:18:15+10:00Added an answer on February 16, 2015 at 3:18 am

      I get your point about die hard, however there is a connection between the inciting incident and the main characters goal.

      Die Hard:
      Inciting incident: Wife’s sky-rise is captured by terrorists.
      Goal: stop the bad guys and save his wife,

      Your logline
      inciting incident: —–
      Goal: Woo girl

      You haven’t given us any connection or incite in the logline as to how starting a business and wooing a girl connects to one another.

      If you told us she was greedy or if she only dated rich guys that might help. If she wanted to be a model and he used the money to found his own modeling agency then we could see the connection.

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    14. Richiev Singularity
      2015-02-16T03:18:15+10:00Added an answer on February 16, 2015 at 3:18 am

      I get your point about die hard, however there is a connection between the inciting incident and the main characters goal.

      Die Hard:
      Inciting incident: Wife’s sky-rise is captured by terrorists.
      Goal: stop the bad guys and save his wife,

      Your logline
      inciting incident: —–
      Goal: Woo girl

      You haven’t given us any connection or incite in the logline as to how starting a business and wooing a girl connects to one another.

      If you told us she was greedy or if she only dated rich guys that might help. If she wanted to be a model and he used the money to found his own modeling agency then we could see the connection.

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    15. Paul Clarke Samurai
      2015-02-15T20:17:53+10:00Added an answer on February 15, 2015 at 8:17 pm

      Hi Craig, thanks for the comment.

      Yes, both parents without the other one knowing.

      I was thinking of changing gifted but lazy ? to brainy slacker. But I?m not sure if it?s any better.

      And changing girl of his dreams to crush, or sweetheart. I don?t think I?ll give any more details on her as she doesn?t play that much of a role as a character. She?s just the treasure at the end. It?s more about him getting off his ass and doing something that makes him a better person.

      And yes, Good Charlotte summed it up well. She goes with the rich guy with the nice car, so he believes that?s what he needs.

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    16. Paul Clarke Samurai
      2015-02-15T20:17:53+10:00Added an answer on February 15, 2015 at 8:17 pm

      Hi Craig, thanks for the comment.

      Yes, both parents without the other one knowing.

      I was thinking of changing gifted but lazy ? to brainy slacker. But I?m not sure if it?s any better.

      And changing girl of his dreams to crush, or sweetheart. I don?t think I?ll give any more details on her as she doesn?t play that much of a role as a character. She?s just the treasure at the end. It?s more about him getting off his ass and doing something that makes him a better person.

      And yes, Good Charlotte summed it up well. She goes with the rich guy with the nice car, so he believes that?s what he needs.

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    17. Paul Clarke Samurai
      2015-02-15T20:16:48+10:00Added an answer on February 15, 2015 at 8:16 pm

      Hi Craig, thanks for the comment.

      Yes, both parents without the other one knowing.

      I was thinking of changing gifted but lazy – to brainy slacker. But I’m not sure if it’s any better.

      And changing girl of his dreams to crush, or sweetheart. I don’t think I’ll give any more details on her as she doesn’t play that much of a role as a character. She’s just the treasure at the end. It’s more about him getting off his ass and doing something that makes him a better person.

      And yes, Good Charlotte summed it up well. She goes with the rich guy with the nice car, so he believes that’s what he needs.

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    18. Paul Clarke Samurai
      2015-02-15T20:16:48+10:00Added an answer on February 15, 2015 at 8:16 pm

      Hi Craig, thanks for the comment.

      Yes, both parents without the other one knowing.

      I was thinking of changing gifted but lazy – to brainy slacker. But I’m not sure if it’s any better.

      And changing girl of his dreams to crush, or sweetheart. I don’t think I’ll give any more details on her as she doesn’t play that much of a role as a character. She’s just the treasure at the end. It’s more about him getting off his ass and doing something that makes him a better person.

      And yes, Good Charlotte summed it up well. She goes with the rich guy with the nice car, so he believes that’s what he needs.

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    19. Paul Clarke Samurai
      2015-02-15T20:00:44+10:00Added an answer on February 15, 2015 at 8:00 pm

      Hi Richiev, thanks for the comment.

      I think the answer is if our characters were capable of doing everything at the beginning of the movie, then we wouldn’t really have a movie. If John McClane could tell his wife how he felt then we wouldn’t have Die Hard.

      In this case he does make an attempt, but it’s lame and doesn’t work. He sees her with a rich guy with a nice car and (incorrectly) decides that’s what he needs to do to win her over. Of course later in the movie he also realizes that this is wrong and he should have just talked to her. I’m sure there’s plenty of people out there who will tell you asking a girl out on a date isn’t the easiest thing in the world to do. For some it may be the hardest.

      Also he doesn’t need to blackmail his parents, but they tell him to do something with his life and won’t give him the money he needs, then he catches them out and makes the most of the opportunity.

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    20. Paul Clarke Samurai
      2015-02-15T20:00:44+10:00Added an answer on February 15, 2015 at 8:00 pm

      Hi Richiev, thanks for the comment.

      I think the answer is if our characters were capable of doing everything at the beginning of the movie, then we wouldn’t really have a movie. If John McClane could tell his wife how he felt then we wouldn’t have Die Hard.

      In this case he does make an attempt, but it’s lame and doesn’t work. He sees her with a rich guy with a nice car and (incorrectly) decides that’s what he needs to do to win her over. Of course later in the movie he also realizes that this is wrong and he should have just talked to her. I’m sure there’s plenty of people out there who will tell you asking a girl out on a date isn’t the easiest thing in the world to do. For some it may be the hardest.

      Also he doesn’t need to blackmail his parents, but they tell him to do something with his life and won’t give him the money he needs, then he catches them out and makes the most of the opportunity.

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    21. CraigDGriffiths Uberwriter
      2015-02-15T17:30:26+10:00Added an answer on February 15, 2015 at 5:30 pm

      I think I can see where you are headed. Blackmail both parents? So they are both committing adultery and neither know? If that is correct, great, ignore me on that. Lazy but gifted. Is there another way to explain this that will also inform how he may act around the girl or what is he willing to do to win her over?

      Highly intelligent and manipulative – A genius sociopath – A charming yet despicable… Something that can be used to build more of his character and let the reader know the sort of things he may do later in the story.

      The girl, why would she be impressed by him owning a business. I can see this, like Good Charlotte sing “Girls don’t like boys, girls like cars and money”. But how do you handle it in the story. Knowing a bit about her will let people see how the story may interact. There is a difference between “Spoiled rich girl” and “Poor gold digger” with how they react to money.

      Good luck.

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    22. CraigDGriffiths Uberwriter
      2015-02-15T17:30:26+10:00Added an answer on February 15, 2015 at 5:30 pm

      I think I can see where you are headed. Blackmail both parents? So they are both committing adultery and neither know? If that is correct, great, ignore me on that. Lazy but gifted. Is there another way to explain this that will also inform how he may act around the girl or what is he willing to do to win her over?

      Highly intelligent and manipulative – A genius sociopath – A charming yet despicable… Something that can be used to build more of his character and let the reader know the sort of things he may do later in the story.

      The girl, why would she be impressed by him owning a business. I can see this, like Good Charlotte sing “Girls don’t like boys, girls like cars and money”. But how do you handle it in the story. Knowing a bit about her will let people see how the story may interact. There is a difference between “Spoiled rich girl” and “Poor gold digger” with how they react to money.

      Good luck.

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    23. Richiev Singularity
      2015-02-15T15:55:28+10:00Added an answer on February 15, 2015 at 3:55 pm

      I am missing the line of logic. He needs to blackmail his parents to start a business to woo a girl… why doesn’t he just ask her out on a date?

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    24. Richiev Singularity
      2015-02-15T15:55:28+10:00Added an answer on February 15, 2015 at 3:55 pm

      I am missing the line of logic. He needs to blackmail his parents to start a business to woo a girl… why doesn’t he just ask her out on a date?

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