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crytersPenpusher
Posted: July 23, 20152015-07-23T11:02:36+10:00 2015-07-23T11:02:36+10:00In: Public

When their conversion to goodness is discovered by Lucifer, a young devil and his converted, ‘goody two shoes’ family flee Hell for the suburban life of Canberra where the boy finds that being a horned, red-skinned devil and ‘fitting in’ to Earthly life is not as easy as he thought.

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    1. cryters Penpusher
      2015-07-28T15:33:20+10:00Added an answer on July 28, 2015 at 3:33 pm

      Thanks Tony. Yes, you’re right but I was thinking of The Munsters and The Beverly Hillbillies, though with a refugee twist (the three series mentioned are just fish-out-of-water comedies, ie with no social undertones attached to them).

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    2. Tony Edward Samurai
      2015-07-28T10:03:54+10:00Added an answer on July 28, 2015 at 10:03 am

      Some great feedback above.

      I think your last draft is pretty good. In fact, it could almost be pitched as a series, just IMO… a modern day riff on the Adams Family/ Munsters 😉

      Best of luck.

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    3. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2015-07-27T21:01:05+10:00Added an answer on July 27, 2015 at 9:01 pm

      For purposes of structuring the concept a vague notion of a known theological paradigm can work. However for pitching all elements of a logline need to be immediately clear for most readers with out a need to look at “…two differing themes from two well known theologians?”.

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    4. Ashley Jones
      2015-07-26T12:18:03+10:00Added an answer on July 26, 2015 at 12:18 pm

      Hi Cryters. To be honest, I’m really new to this logline stuff, so please don’t think that I speak with any authority. One comment I read before said that the protagonist should have their character theme trait and goal in the logline. The theme trait would be the tool that the protagonist moves the story along with. So, for example, the Devil leaves hell and their practices because he stubbornly will not do what he’s told. Later in the story, he either overcomes that stubbornness or uses it to win the day. But in the logline he’s a stubborn devil because that’s the characters theme.

      Stubbornness is just an example by the way. You can definitely come up with a better trait. How about disobedience for irony? Lucifer would be a real hypocrite if he doesn’t like disobedience.

      The story’s theme could be mentioned too, so as it’s about refugees, could you say that the family seek refuge in suburbia? Your third logline conveys the story to me really well. –

      A persecuted family of good devils flees Hell for Earthly suburbia where they fight to gain acceptance in a neighbourhood embroiled in battling a property developer.?

      From what I’ve read, that’s very correct because it shows the story and the visual story that’s being told. Maybe the protagonist should be more proactive. So instead of becoming embroiled in a property development war, The family chooses to defend a town that fears and despises them from a ruthless property developer. Like I say though, I have no experience with logline rules and I think I’m mixing it up with tagline rules.

      Just as an aside, you don’t have to tell me if you don’t want to. Is lucifer the property developer?

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    5. cryters Penpusher
      2015-07-25T14:45:48+10:00Added an answer on July 25, 2015 at 2:45 pm

      or “A persecuted family of good devils flees Hell for Earthly suburbia where they fight to gain acceptance in a neighbourhood embroiled in battling a property developer.”

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    6. cryters Penpusher
      2015-07-25T12:44:32+10:00Added an answer on July 25, 2015 at 12:44 pm

      Thanks Ashley. You’re on the money about this being a comedy and about people fleeing their cultures. My story is in fact an allegory for refugees arriving in Australia. The logline I posted is clunky, especially in setting up the MC’s goal for overcoming a flaw. Maybe something like this would be better: “Persecuted by Lucifer for having turned into good devils, a devil boy and his family flees Hell for Earthly suburbia where the devil boy saves the neighbourhood from an evil developer.” Your thoughts?

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    7. Ashley Jones
      2015-07-24T08:40:05+10:00Added an answer on July 24, 2015 at 8:40 am

      I like the idea of a whole family being forced to leave their culture because of differing ideologies. I can see there being family tension as well because one of the kids may be a traditionalist. From the title though, it sounds like a straight comedy. Do you think a bit more pathos and tragedy might work. Maybe a betrayal by one of the family members? I also like fish out of water stories as well. I think it’s a great idea.
      The actual logline is a bit choppy though and I find it hard to follow the point of it. I get that there’s a family in hiding from their community leader and they’ve run away because they don’t fit in, and i kind of see that a lot of the story would be around fitting in the new community they’ve run to and getting over misconceptions about what they consider the new community to be.
      I can see possible themes of perceptions of theology and dogma, ethical and moral themes, the evolving attitudes to sin, perhaps even the anachronistic meeting the modern. I think there are loads of really interesting and fun things to explore here

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    8. dpg Singularity
      2015-07-24T08:25:40+10:00Added an answer on July 24, 2015 at 8:25 am

      Cryter:

      What’s the movie genre of your concept?

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    9. Ashley Jones
      2015-07-24T08:15:53+10:00Added an answer on July 24, 2015 at 8:15 am

      You’re mistaken about the your point on how people view hell. There have been many different takes on the Christian version of hell, especially as much of the western world is exposed to very diverse cultures nowadays. Look at two differing themes from two well known theologians – Milton and CS Lewis. Look at how different Paradise lost and screwtape letters are.

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    10. FFF Mentor
      2015-07-23T18:35:16+10:00Added an answer on July 23, 2015 at 6:35 pm

      In fact, I think that the fact that they are 2 is useless. One demon is enough, with a little ally from hell eventually, like a talking pet lizard.

      “When a rebel teen demon lands on earth, he must…. if he wants to……”

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    11. FFF Mentor
      2015-07-23T18:28:23+10:00Added an answer on July 23, 2015 at 6:28 pm

      “When 2 rebel demons land on earth to escape the wrath of Lucifer, they must find true love if they want to become humans before Lucifer finds them.”

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    12. Neer Shelter Singularity
      2015-07-23T14:55:21+10:00Added an answer on July 23, 2015 at 2:55 pm

      This logline is too long and the goal is too vague.

      What does “…?fitting in? to Earthly life?” look like? How will the audience know he has finally succeeded in doing so? What does it mean in specific terms?

      The premise of there being whole families of devils living in hell is a leap of logic as most people know the basic hierarchy of hell to be the devil at the top with a minion of demons beneath him.

      The setup to explain that hell is actually run by a fully functional society comprised of family units and therefore vastly different to what most people know hell to be is huge. I don’t know if it is anymore interesting than just the devil himself or less interesting but it is an unnecessary complication if the story is set on earth in a normal society.

      Hope this helps.

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