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  1. Posted: December 4, 2016In: Thriller

    When an Iraq War vet loses both his house and wife, he resolves to use his training to take out the CEO of a major NYC investment bank whom he blames for his losses and whose security detail is mostly composed of other vets.

    Dkpough1 Uberwriter
    Added an answer on December 4, 2016 at 4:06 am

    "When an Iraq War vet loses both his house and wife, he resolves to use his training to take out the CEO of a major NYC investment bank whose security detail is mostly composed of other vets." The inciting incident does not share a causal relationship with the goal. Losing your house and wife does nRead more

    “When an Iraq War vet loses both his house and wife, he resolves to use his training to take out the CEO of a major NYC investment bank whose security detail is mostly composed of other vets.”

    The inciting incident does not share a causal relationship with the goal. Losing your house and wife does not logically lead to someone killing someone, unless it is revenge, which is not indicated.

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  2. Posted: December 2, 2016In: Examples

    Boy meets girl. Boy falls in love. Girl doesn’t.

    Dkpough1 Uberwriter
    Added an answer on December 4, 2016 at 2:49 am

    "proves the need for an inciting incident more than a goal" I completely disagree. The inciting incident is such a small part. The goal is the reason for the story itself. This logline is a complete anomaly anyway, so that isn't a fair assessment that the inciting incident is the most important partRead more

    “proves the need for an inciting incident more than a goal”
    I completely disagree. The inciting incident is such a small part. The goal is the reason for the story itself. This logline is a complete anomaly anyway, so that isn’t a fair assessment that the inciting incident is the most important part. If, for example, you were to write a logline for Star Wars, without a goal, but using the inciting incident:
    When his family is killed a young farm boy learns to use a mystical power.?
    Is that what happens? Yes. Is the action depicted explain the story, say what it’s actually about? No. Luke learning to use the Force isn’t the goal, it’s a step to achieving it. However, do the same thing without explicitly stating the inciting incident:
    A young farm boy learns to use a mystical power so he can?join the Rebellion and defeat the evil Empire.?
    Goal, hook, it actually tells what the story is about. Would an inciting incident help? In this case, yes, because why does he risk his life to do this? But is this a better logline than the one without any goal? Yes.
    To me, the things most important are 1) hook 2) characters 3)plot/goal then 4)inciting incident. Possibly, antagonist ranks higher than inciting incident but the point is that the inciting incident isn’t the most important part.
    This post, yes, it has an inciting incident(Boy meets girl.) But what does it have, what’s more important? The hook: “Girl doesn’t.” As you said, a twist from the usual. But it has the two most important things, hook and characters.

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  3. Posted: December 2, 2016In: Examples

    Boy meets girl. Boy falls in love. Girl doesn’t.

    Dkpough1 Uberwriter
    Added an answer on December 3, 2016 at 12:47 am

    Yeah, I do that too. I make one before writing and then polish it to be sellable. I go a step further and make loglines for multiple characters, especially the antagonist. I'm guessing you feel that they're required for the action genre because there needs to be a believable reason someone would risRead more

    Yeah, I do that too. I make one before writing and then polish it to be sellable. I go a step further and make loglines for multiple characters, especially the antagonist.
    I’m guessing you feel that they’re required for the action genre because there needs to be a believable reason someone would risk their life in all of their action hijinks? And less so with others because relationships/romance is a normal part of life and doesn’t necessarily need one? I think I would agree with that.
    The problem I think with fantasy/ sci-fi loglines is that the inciting incident takes up valuable ?space that could be used to clarify the world the writer is creating. Unless, of course, the inciting incident is the thing that sets it up.(“when a forensic scientist is struck by lightning and gets super-speed…”) But sometimes the inciting incident doesn’t(“when his family is killed, a young farm boy must learn to use a mystical sword which can cut through any armor…”)
    And that is a great point, that the inciting incident does indicate whether the story is logically plotted.

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