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Nir:
Good points, as usual. ?So what's the logline with Abrahams in the role of the (singular) protagonist?
Of course, Abrahams has to defeat the Americans to win a gold medal. ?But the rivalry between Abrahams and Liddell is given far more screen time than that between Abrahams and Sholz.
And Abrahams and Liddell were supposed to run against each other again in Paris in the 100 meter trials. ?But when Liddell refused to run on Sunday, that showdown never occurred. ? Abrahams never got a chance to prove himself the faster man, head-to-head against Liddell. ?So the story sets up the prospect of a ?re-match -- and then...
I agree that the story is framed around Abrahams. ?And why it had to be: ?1]His story thread has a "B" story, a love interest. 2] Abrahams life provides satisfactory closure. ?Liddell died in an internment camp in China at the close of WW 2. ?Abrahams doesn't die until 1978 .
Logically I agree with you that Abrahams carries the "A" story. ?But emotionally, I ?feel that Liddell carries the "C" story, the spiritual theme. ?And I would argue that the "C" story, Liddell's character and positive? motivation sold more tickets than Abraham's negative motivation -- the chip he carries on his shoulder -- against anti-Semitic slights. ?And accounts for the movie's enduring appeal.
(As real as the anti-Semitism was that Abrahams endures in the film, it's ?subtle and not an obstacle; ?at the start of the film, he was gained entry into a premiere portal of privilege and power -- Cambridge University -- and there is never any serious threat to his being cast out because he's a Jew.)
Anyway, ?I think the most important question on which we may diverge is: ?are there times where we can -- we must -- depart from the standard formula for a logline? ?The primary purpose of a logline is to market the script, get people interested in reading it. ?That purpose must determine the method.
Most of the time, 95%+, the standard logline formula ?is?the right method. ?But there are exceptions. ?And I think this may be one. ?If you can come up with a standard logline with Abrahams taking the spotlight that has an equivalent hook, great. ?But I can't think of one.
And in my private rule book, ?if I have to choose between a logline with a great hook and one that is correctly formulated, I'll opt for the one with the great hook. ?Every time.
Best of all, of course, is a standard logline with a great hook. ?(Easier said than done.)
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Nir:
Good points, as usual. ?So what's the logline with Abrahams in the role of the (singular) protagonist?
Of course, Abrahams has to defeat the Americans to win a gold medal. ?But the rivalry between Abrahams and Liddell is given far more screen time than that between Abrahams and Sholz.
And Abrahams and Liddell were supposed to run against each other again in Paris in the 100 meter trials. ?But when Liddell refused to run on Sunday, that showdown never occurred. ? Abrahams never got a chance to prove himself the faster man, head-to-head against Liddell. ?So the story sets up the prospect of a ?re-match -- and then...
I agree that the story is framed around Abrahams. ?And why it had to be: ?1]His story thread has a "B" story, a love interest. 2] Abrahams life provides satisfactory closure. ?Liddell died in an internment camp in China at the close of WW 2. ?Abrahams doesn't die until 1978 .
Logically I agree with you that Abrahams carries the "A" story. ?But emotionally, I ?feel that Liddell carries the "C" story, the spiritual theme. ?And I would argue that the "C" story, Liddell's character and positive? motivation sold more tickets than Abraham's negative motivation -- the chip he carries on his shoulder -- against anti-Semitic slights. ?And accounts for the movie's enduring appeal.
(As real as the anti-Semitism was that Abrahams endures in the film, it's ?subtle and not an obstacle; ?at the start of the film, he was gained entry into a premiere portal of privilege and power -- Cambridge University -- and there is never any serious threat to his being cast out because he's a Jew.)
Anyway, ?I think the most important question on which we may diverge is: ?are there times where we can -- we must -- depart from the standard formula for a logline? ?The primary purpose of a logline is to market the script, get people interested in reading it. ?That purpose must determine the method.
Most of the time, 95%+, the standard logline formula ?is?the right method. ?But there are exceptions. ?And I think this may be one. ?If you can come up with a standard logline with Abrahams taking the spotlight that has an equivalent hook, great. ?But I can't think of one.
And in my private rule book, ?if I have to choose between a logline with a great hook and one that is correctly formulated, I'll opt for the one with the great hook. ?Every time.
Best of all, of course, is a standard logline with a great hook. ?(Easier said than done.)
fwiw
Wish I was able to chime in earlier on this thread...
DPG from memory we never reached an overwhelming consensus on this one.
I think you're over looking, for some?reason,?Abraham's?grand obstacle to achieving Olympic gold - his obstacle is not Liddell, it's the Americans and namely Schultz. Even Liddell acknowledges?that the Americans are faster and better trained than he is.
The Americans are painted from very early on as the outright biggest threat to the English athletes winning gold, and are defined as the fastest men in the world. Abraham's must beat them in order to take their place, and he must take their place in order to win gold.
What motivates Abrahams to hire Sam is the fact that the americans are professionally trained -?without Sam?he will never gain enough of an advantage to beat them.
Liddell's story is really just the B plot in the film, sure it intersected with the A plot - Abraham's story, but only to spur him on with a more immediate obstacle that's closer to home. I'm not diminishing the importance of Liddell's story in the film - it does take up a lot of screen time, but if you were to remove Liddell's story the film still works when telling only Abraham's story. More so, as you agreed with above, Abrahams has the most significant character arc of all in the film - he is the one who goes on a journey to become a better person.
No doubt this is an unconventionally structured film - it shifts dramatic points of view and lacks a clear inciting incident. However, it does (as Karel mentioned above) follow the hero's journey very closely, and employs clear metaphors for character progression and sequence transitions. Abrahams the hero/protagonist clearly states his goal at the end of act one he also specifies how he will achieve it, at this point in the film he clearly crosses a threshold and marches bravely off into the distance.
While an argument can be made that there was no specific inciting incident, it can also be argued that the writer clearly indicated when act one ends and act two begins. It was Abrahams who ended act one, and he who stated the goal and action that will be pursued throughout the film.