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  1. Posted: August 8, 2017In: Thriller

    While investigating the abduction of a child in a remote community of the Appalachian Mountains, a FBI Agent makes the shocking discovery that he is linked to a disappearance there decades earlier.

    dpg Singularity
    Added an answer on August 9, 2017 at 12:30 am

    You are right, of course. ?You don't give away the 2nd or 3rd Act Big Reveal, or 2nd orTwist in the logline.And you are correct to point out the a logline is not about the protagonist's subjective issue.My point is that it makes no sense to even mention the Big Reveal or Twist in a logline. ? BecausRead more

    You are right, of course. ?You don’t give away the 2nd or 3rd Act Big Reveal, or 2nd orTwist in the logline.

    And you are correct to point out the a logline is not about the protagonist’s subjective issue.

    My point is that it makes no sense to even mention the Big Reveal or Twist in a logline. ? Because a?logline is about what is going to hook the interest of the audience in the 1st Act, ?in the 1st 30 minutes. What is going to make them want to keep watching, instead of channel surfing or switching to some other diversion.

    It does no good if a logline reveals or merely hints there is a Big Reveal or Twist to occur 60 or 90 minutes into the film. ?Because if the story doesn’t hook viewer interest in the 1st 30 minutes, they aren’t going to hang around that long to view it. ? It’s too late.

    So taking your logline at face value, if a shocking discovery is not the 1st Act inciting incident, then the plot is about an FBI agent assigned to solve a child abduction. Well, what is the inciting incident that gets that agent, of all the agents in the pool, assigned to the case? ?Is there anything unique about the abduction that makes it of ?particular dramatic interest? ?That would make it stand out from all the other real or possible scenarios about an FBI agent working an abduction case?

    IOW: ?What is there to hook a viewer’s interest in the 1st Act so that they’ll stay interested, stay with the story until the Big Reveal/Twist?

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  2. Posted: August 6, 2017In: Public

    [Not a logline] Does the dark night of the soul occur in act 2, act 3 or in a secret middle place?

    dpg Singularity
    Added an answer on August 8, 2017 at 11:56 pm

    Agree with Nir Shelter and Dkpough1. ?"Pulp Fiction" jumps around in space and time, but the basic plot elements are there. ?Tarantino did his homework; he knew how to embed dramatic structure in the narrative.At the start of his career, Picasso ?studied the masters from other eras and painted in raRead more

    Agree with Nir Shelter and Dkpough1. ?”Pulp Fiction” jumps around in space and time, but the basic plot elements are there. ?Tarantino did his homework; he knew how to embed dramatic structure in the narrative.

    At the start of his career, Picasso ?studied the masters from other eras and painted in rather conventional styles before venturing forth into cubism. ?Vincent van Gogh studied the masters, too. ?And he even took classes in painting— Vincent van Gogh!

    Mozart and Beethoven studied musical forms and techniques. ? Not because they were untalented. ?Nor were they taking refuge in a lack of confidence in their own abilities by immersing themselves in musical theory.?

    I think it is necessary to study dramatic theory. ?And that includes popular paradigms (like “Save the Cat” and the “Hero’s Journey”). ?Why? ?Because, if for no other reason, the pop paradigms are the ones that producers, directors and money men are going to be familiar with (if they read any books on the craft at all) so you’ve got to be able to pitch your story in terms they understand. ?They’re going to ask about the “all is lost” and “dark night of the soul” beats– those are the very words they are going to use — and you got to be able to answer them using terminology they comprehend.

    So studying ?theory and paradirms is necessary — but not sufficient. The trap some fall into is to lock onto 1 paradigm to the exclusion of all others as the Holy Grail, the alpha and omega, the complete and universally applicable formula for screenwriting. ?

    And, of course, there is none. ?

    But there are some general universal principles that can be abstracted from all the books ?(And I’ve read them all, ?too many, from the silly to the sublime.) ?And those principles should be used as tools, not rules.

    IMHO

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  3. Posted: August 8, 2017In: Thriller

    While investigating the abduction of a child in a remote community of the Appalachian Mountains, a FBI Agent makes the shocking discovery that he is linked to a disappearance there decades earlier.

    dpg Singularity
    Added an answer on August 8, 2017 at 11:30 pm

    The logline should lay out the bare essentials of a plot. ?This logline sets up a situation with a discovery but fails to present a complete plot. What must he do about the shocking discovery? ?As a result of it, what becomes his objective goal? ?And who opposes and threatens to defeat him?

    The logline should lay out the bare essentials of a plot. ?This logline sets up a situation with a discovery but fails to present a complete plot.

    What must he do about the shocking discovery? ?As a result of it, what becomes his objective goal? ?And who opposes and threatens to defeat him?

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